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To: FOT Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cells
From: Duncan Charlton via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 06:47:58 -0600
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I opened up the fuel cell in my =E2=80=9967 Morgan racer (hadn=E2=80=99t =
been raced since 1989) and found nothing but gray powder inside the =
bladder.  I was told it DNF=E2=80=99d its last race =E2=80=9Csomething =
to do with the fuel pump=E2=80=9D (there were two).  I don=E2=80=99t =
know how long it takes foam to turn to dust when it=E2=80=99s not soaked =
in fuel but it seems plausible that disintegrating foam might have been =
the cause of the DNF.

Duncan

> On Mar 7, 2019, at 11:25 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> =
wrote:
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> I thought it was best to replace the original 1969 fuel bladder in the =
Spitfire...
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> Found an 8 gallon ATL cell that fit right in the original can with =
minimal modification...
>=20
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
> On Mar 7, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net =
>=20
>> I have a Fuel Safe Sportsman fuel cell.  I=E2=80=99d always been =
under the impression that these things aged out.  My vintage =
organization does not require certification or date tags, however, =
unlike on seat belts.
>>=20
>> I called Fuel Safe, talked to a helpful tech, and he said if the =
bladder isn=E2=80=99t leaking, if the foam isn=E2=80=99t breaking down =
and showing up in the fuel filter, and the bladder is still flexible, no =
cracking, it could last for 20 years.
>>=20
>> It should be inspected, but they were not pushing to sell me a new =
one.  Just saved $700 bucks.  Makes you wonder about the FIA language, =
should you be planning to race in Europe:
>>=20
>> 2 FUEL BLADDER LIFETIME
>> No fuel bladders shall be used for more than 5 years after the date =
of manufacture, unless reinspected and recertified by the manufacturer =
at the end of this 5 year period, for a supplementary period of up to 2 =
years after the date of recertification not exceeding 7 years after the =
date of manufacture.
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
opened up the fuel cell in my =E2=80=9967 Morgan racer (hadn=E2=80=99t =
been raced since 1989) and found nothing but gray powder inside the =
bladder. &nbsp;I was told it DNF=E2=80=99d its last race =E2=80=9Csomethin=
g to do with the fuel pump=E2=80=9D (there were two). &nbsp;I don=E2=80=99=
t know how long it takes foam to turn to dust when it=E2=80=99s not =
soaked in fuel but it seems plausible that disintegrating foam might =
have been the cause of the DNF.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Duncan<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Mar 7, 2019, at 11:25 PM, =
Brad Eells via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">I thought it was best to replace =
the original 1969 fuel bladder in the Spitfire...</span><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D"">Found an 8 gallon ATL cell that fit right in the =
original can with minimal modification...<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Brad Eells<div class=3D"">Sent =
from my iPhone</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D"">On =
Mar 7, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">I have a Fuel Safe Sportsman fuel =
cell. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99d always been under the impression that these =
things aged out. &nbsp;My vintage organization does not require =
certification or date tags, however, unlike on seat belts.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I called Fuel Safe, =
talked to a helpful tech, and he said if the bladder isn=E2=80=99t =
leaking, if the foam isn=E2=80=99t breaking down and showing up in the =
fuel filter, and the bladder is still flexible, no cracking, it could =
last for 20 years.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">It should be inspected, but they were not pushing to sell me =
a new one. &nbsp;Just saved $700 bucks. &nbsp;Makes you wonder about the =
FIA language, should you be planning to race in Europe:</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><b class=3D"" =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(34, 34, 34); color: rgb(34, 34, 34); =
font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">2 FUEL =
BLADDER LIFETIME</b><br class=3D"" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(34, 34, =
34); color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, =
sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><i class=3D"" style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(34, 34, 34); color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: &quot;Open =
Sans&quot;, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">No fuel bladders shall be used =
for more than 5 years after the date of manufacture, unless reinspected =
and recertified by the manufacturer at the end of this 5 year period, =
for a supplementary period of up to 2 years after the date of =
recertification not exceeding 7 years after the date of =
manufacture.</i></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
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