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I believe the outer wheel(raising) is gaining toe in and the inner wheel (d=
ropping) is going in the direction of toe out : that should be favourable o=
n turning in.=20
Marcel=20
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ulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>=20
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Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Rear axle toe in=20
I read somewhere that the toe angle varies with the position of the trailin=
g arm through its travel. If you do alignment at the static point, it is no=
t where your trailing arm is when going around a turn.=20
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A little toe out is an old auto-x trick. It helps rotate the car through a =
tight course. However, for road racing it is probably not optimal. Rear toe=
out will make it unstable at high speed and will scrub speed on straights.=
Rear toe in will make the car more stable at high speed at the cost of scr=
ubbing speed. That being said outside of extreme auto-x or similar in my op=
inion the rear tires should always be zero toe. If you are looking for bett=
er turn in try a little toe out at the front. However this comes at a cost =
as well. It will scrub speed and can induce some =E2=80=9Cdartyness=E2=80=
=9D (not sure that=E2=80=99s a word) in the steering. So make sure you keep=
your hands and grip on the wheel at all times. Toe out will want to follow=
any crack or rut in the road.=20
My hillclimb spitsix (gt6 suspension) I run zero toe at the rear and 1/16=
=E2=80=9D toe out at the front measured at the center of tire sidewall on 2=
0=E2=80=9D diameter tire and 13=E2=80=9D dia wheels.=20
Hope that=E2=80=99s helpful.=20
Good luck,=20
Brian=20
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The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you have been ru=
nning that way you should notice a difference in straight line stability as=
well as turn in response.=20
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Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I found that the rear wheels hav=
e 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front to rear) instead of the exp=
ected toe in.=20
Removing 1 shim on the outside suspension point of the trailing arms will c=
hange things to 2.5mm toe in. I think I will go for that, unless fot member=
s have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results (espe=
cially turn in characteristics)=20
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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-seri=
f; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000"><div>I believe the outer wheel(raising)=
is gaining toe in and the inner wheel (dropping) is going in the dir=
ection of toe out : that should be favourable on turning in.</div><div>Marc=
el</div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr" data-marker=3D"__DIVIDER__"><div da=
ta-marker=3D"__HEADERS__"><b>Van: </b>"John Styduhar" <johnstydo@gmail.c=
om><br><b>Aan: </b>"Brian Dennis" <britracer89@yahoo.com><br><b>Cc=
: </b>"Rick Parent" <rick.parent@att.net>, "fot" <fot@autox.team.n=
et>, "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be><br><b>Ve=
rzonden: </b>Zondag 9 juni 2019 17:12:23<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] Rea=
r axle toe in<br></div><br><div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_TEXT__"><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I read somewhe=
re that the toe angle varies with the position of the trailing arm through =
its travel. If you do alignment at the static point, it is not where =
your trailing arm is when going around a turn.</div></div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun 9, 201=
9 at 10:49 AM Brian Dennis via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net=
" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
A little toe out is an old auto-x trick. It helps rotate the car through a =
tight course. However, for road racing it is probably not optimal. Rear toe=
out will make it unstable at high speed and will scrub speed on straights.=
Rear toe in will make the car more stable at high speed at the cost of scr=
ubbing speed. That being said outside of extreme auto-x or similar in my op=
inion the rear tires should always be zero toe. If you are looking for bett=
er turn in try a little toe out at the front. However this comes at a cost =
as well. It will scrub speed and can induce some =E2=80=9Cdartyness=E2=80=
=9D (not sure that=E2=80=99s a word) in the steering. So make sure you keep=
your hands and grip on the wheel at all times. Toe out will want to follow=
any crack or rut in the road.<br><div>My hillclimb spitsix (gt6 suspension=
) I run zero toe at the rear and 1/16=E2=80=9D toe out at the front measure=
d at the center of tire sidewall on 20=E2=80=9D diameter tire and 13=E2=80=
=9D dia wheels. </div><div>Hope that=E2=80=99s helpful.</div><div>Good=
luck,</div><div>Brian <br><br><br><a href=3D"https://overview.mail.ya=
hoo.com/?.src=3DiOS" target=3D"_blank">Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone</a><=
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font-size:15px;color:rgb(113,95,250);padding-top:15px;margin-top:0px">On Su=
nday, June 9, 2019, 10:18 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot=
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<div>The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you=
have been running that way you should notice a difference in straight line=
stability as well as turn in response.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div>Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I fo=
und that the rear wheels have 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front=
to rear) instead of the expected toe in.</div><div>Removing 1 shim on the =
outside suspension point of the trailing arms will change things to 2.5mm t=
oe in. I think I will go for that, unless fot members have experienced that=
more or less toe in are giving better results (especially turn in characte=
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