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ad><body><div style=3D"font-size: 16px;color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family: ari=
al, sans-serif;">I do remember Art! I thought he was a mute. Ju=
st couldn=E2=80=99t get anything in around Ken I guess.<div><br></div><div>=
I used to let Ken=E2=80=99s calls go to the recorder and then return them w=
hen he was likely to be asleep and just answer the questions asked. S=
aved endless hours.<br><br><blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margin-l=
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if; color: black;">-----Original Message-----
<br>From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
<br>Sent: Sep 30, 2019 9:56 PM
<br>To: fot@autox.team.net
<br>Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR
<br><br><br><br><div id=3D"__aol_mail_signature__">Sent from AOL Mobile Mai=
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On Monday, September 30, 2019, TR3driver@ca.rr.com <T=
R3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote:
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<div>Randall (et all)...</div>
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<div>Does anyone know what happened to Ken's TRIUMPH TR2 car? It was =
very special.</div>
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<div>The way I understand it, he purchased it across the pond when he was s=
tationed there in the service. I think that is how he got connected w=
ith early TRIUMPH competition parts connections, like Daryll Uprichards (sp=
?) and Cox and Buckles. It was a daily driver over there, and he ship=
ped it home when he was discharged. I don't remember it being a Long =
Door, but it was a low dash plate number TR2, and he kept it in gorge=
ous condition. It must have been tricked up some since TRIUMPH built =
it, because he drag raced it in 'handicapped drag races', and it was a cham=
pion. It used to beat the early Corvettes. It had four ten inch=
alfin aluminum brake drums, and these were by TRIUMPH (supposedly they onl=
y made fifty sets). An Italian made 10" Alfin Drum was available "aft=
er market", and Old Blue has two of those in the rear.</div>
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<div>Can anyone remember Ken's close buddy (Art, I think...maybe not). =
; Super nice guy, but 180 degrees different than Ken. Ken would talk =
a mile a minute, and his friend would just stand there and smile. But=
they were great buddies.</div>
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<div>Bill Dentinger</div>
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--Original Message-----<br>
From: Randall <TR3driver@ca.rr.com><br>
To: 'Bill Dentinger' <billdentin@aol.com><br>
Sent: Mon, Sep 30, 2019 10:33 am<br>
Subject: RE: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I believe it was more local than Orange county; specifical=
ly Temple City CA<br clear=3D"none">where he and Helen lived. I know =
he served multiple terms on the city<br clear=3D"none">council, and at leas=
t one or two as mayor.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">I miss him too.=
As is so often the case, I wish I had spent more time<br clear=3D"no=
ne">listening to his stories.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">-- Randa=
ll <br clear=3D"none">56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver<br clear=
=3D"none">71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild<br clear=3D"none">71-2-3=
Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">>=
-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">> From: Fot [mailto:<a rel=
=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blan=
k" href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; shape=3D"rect">fot-bounces@au=
tox.team.net</a>] On Behalf Of <br clear=3D"none">> Bill Dentinger via F=
ot<br clear=3D"none">> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 8:17 AM<br clear=
=3D"none">> To: <a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:stutztr4@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:stutztr4@gmail.com"; shape=3D"rect">stutz=
tr4@gmail.com</a>; <a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:vangoughv@hotmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:vangoughv@hotmail.com"; shape=3D"rect"=
>vangoughv@hotmail.com</a><br clear=3D"none">> Cc: <a rel=3D"nofollow" y=
mailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@a=
utox.team.net" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>; <a rel=3D"nofollow" y=
mailto=3D"mailto:fubog1@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fubog1@ao=
l.com" shape=3D"rect">fubog1@aol.com</a><br clear=3D"none">> Subject: Re=
: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR<br clear=3D"none">> <br c=
lear=3D"none">> Bruce...<br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> =
All these names sure bring back memories.<br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=
=3D"none">> Ken Gillanders was a Piece of Work (meant as a complimentary=
<br clear=3D"none">> description!) Ken's original Claim to Fame w=
as drag racing <br clear=3D"none">> his TR2 against Corvettes (handicapp=
ed) in the early 1950s. <br clear=3D"none">> And it was a Champion=
too. No one was more enthusiastic <br clear=3D"none">> about TRIU=
MPH than Ken. If I remember correctly, he was a <br clear=3D"none">&g=
t; local politician (Orange County, CA?), and like all <br clear=3D"none">&=
gt; politicians, he was verbose (chatty). He could and <br clear=3D"n=
one">> would...talk your arm off. Later on he started British Fram=
e <br clear=3D"none">> and Engine, a mail order source of TRIUMPH compet=
ition parts. <br clear=3D"none">> Another, lesser known, fact abou=
t Ken, was his love of <br clear=3D"none">> MAGIC. I believe there=
is some sort of MAGIC HALL of FAME in <br clear=3D"none">> his home tow=
n, and Ken was a frequent visitor, and loved to <br clear=3D"none">> sho=
w it off to visitors. <br clear=3D"none">> Sadly, both he and his =
wife had serious health problems at <br clear=3D"none">> the end, impact=
ing dealing with British Frame and Engine.<br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=
=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> Ken was a Piece of Work. I mis=
s him.<br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> Bill Dentinger<br cle=
ar=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> <br>
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