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To: Bob Kramer <rkramer56@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
From: dustin nicholson via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 19:46:53 -0500
Cc: J Wagner via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
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YES!!! I also have no idea who emails to this list if they don=E2=80=99t sig=
n their name. It would be so nice if we knew who you were.

(It=E2=80=99s just a phone mail app issue for me, computer mail app doesn=E2=
=80=99t have this problem)

Dusty Nicholson=20

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 23, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote=
:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFNot responding to this email but questioning if people know that s=
ome of these posts come from the fot@autox.team.net and unless you sign your=
 name we don=E2=80=99t know who is writing.
>=20
> Maybe others get the individual email address, but I don=E2=80=99t.
>=20
> Bob Kramer
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
>>> On May 23, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Stephen Jones via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>=
 wrote:
>>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> =20
>> =20
>> As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated i=
n, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or n=
ot to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans f=
our decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been e=
xceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA=
 prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for=
 it=E2=80=99s members and competitors.
>> =20
>> With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for=
 most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence=
 over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activi=
ty of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a p=
assion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.
>> =20
>> Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whethe=
r to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentia=
lly make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to eng=
age in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment .I do not believe ther=
e is a right or wrong answer, SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure=
 personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, i=
s the risk worth the reward for me?=20
>> =20
>> I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for=
 the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on m=
y bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to su=
spend further participation until the current health situation has some posi=
tive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  =E2=80=9CLife is racing, the rest is ju=
st waiting.=E2=80=9D For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not t=
oo long.
>> =20
>> Lastly, this is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmospher=
e of rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one press=
es the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has b=
een written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zea=
l and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, =E2=80=9Cyou cat=
ch more bee=E2=80=99s with honey than vinegar=E2=80=9D  After all, this post=
 is called =E2=80=9CFriends of Triumph=E2=80=9D.
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> From: "Ken Knight via Fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:56 PM
>> To: "J Wagner via Fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
>> =20
>> Well then all is going to just fine and you this will magically go away. =
 Good luck.
>> =20
>> Sent=E2=80=89from=E2=80=89my=E2=80=89Verizon=E2=80=89Smartphone
>> On May 22, 2020 2:44 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>> =20
>> Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance.  I wear a mask when requ=
ested by the business.  I don=E2=80=99t go over and hug folk. I don=E2=80=99=
t visit retirement homes.  if I did, I=E2=80=99d wash up, wear a mask, and s=
ocial distance as required. =20
>> =20
>> I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, sho=
rtly after my dad=E2=80=99s death.  The doctors said this particular bug lik=
ely came from his garden.  In the years since, did I stop gardening?  Did I l=
ay awake at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share=
 with family and friends?  Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a=
 day of skiing.  You never know what=E2=80=99s going to take us.
>> =20
>> A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he tri=
ed to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold.   Age 57.
>> =20
>> Really, look at the numbers.   We can=E2=80=99t live in a bubble.
>> =20
>> Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Cov=
id-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after.  So far, none h=
ave passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen.  Maybe=
 it will be the guy in my mirror. =20
>> =20
>> This is not the pandemic where it=E2=80=99s so bad every family will be t=
ouched and it=E2=80=99s ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up.  I=
t=E2=80=99s not playing russian roulette to try to get back to some semblanc=
e of normalcy.
>> =20
>> I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to n=
ot even admit your =E2=80=9CRussian Roulette with an automatic.=E2=80=9D was=
 way off base.
>> =20
>> And by the way, =E2=80=9CWhile you are getting through Covid with no prob=
lems=E2=80=9D... you mean like how I=E2=80=99m unemployed with no prospects b=
ecause what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and e=
mergency services prepared, so there=E2=80=99d be enough beds, masks, and ve=
ntilators has gone on well beyond the need?  =20
>> =20
>> Your scare mongering is going =E2=80=9Cto be a real bitch when someone we=
 personally love=E2=80=9D faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimiz=
ed by predators, etc.  because of the lockdown.  How=E2=80=99s it feel to ha=
ve people=E2=80=99s deaths laid on you like that?  I wouldn=E2=80=99t have g=
one there.
>> =20
>> I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree.   I only=
 posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members h=
ave a balance. =20
>> =20
>> Never be beaten by a virus!
>> =20
>> =E2=80=94Justin
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrot=
e:
>> =20
>> Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.  While you are getting th=
rough Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % tha=
t doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.  That herd immuni=
ty is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personally lo=
ve will be dead.  Ken
>> =20
>> Sent=E2=80=89from=E2=80=89my=E2=80=89Verizon=E2=80=89Smartphone
>> On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>> =20
>> =20
>> I=E2=80=99m sorry Ken, IMHO, you=E2=80=99re way off base.
>> =20
>> =E2=80=9C....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should con=
sider themselves =E2=80=98low risk=E2=80=99.  This virus is like playing Rus=
sian Roulette with an automatic....=E2=80=9D
>>=20
>> =20
>> That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but th=
ose models were wrong and have been discredited.=20
>> =20
>> Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves =E2=80=9Clow risk=E2=80=
=9D and no, it=E2=80=99s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it=E2=
=80=99s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
>> =20
>> If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they s=
hould play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the ri=
sks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.=
 =20
>> =20
>> The flu didn=E2=80=99t stop vintage racing.
>> =E2=80=9CIf people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....=E2=80=9D  =20=

>>=20
>> That =E2=80=9Ccurrent rate=E2=80=9D is not sustainable so your suppositio=
n is not based in reality.  The curve doesn=E2=80=99t just happen in a day w=
hen we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity. =20
>>=20
>> And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces=
 their fall and numbers are rising there.  We=E2=80=99re heading into our Su=
mmer!
>>=20
>> =20
>> =20
>>=20
>> =20
>> Let=E2=80=99s all take a reality pill here. =20
>> =20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> You said, =E2=80=9CWe are all big boys and girls and we get to make our o=
wn decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science=
 and fact, not what we would like to have happen. =E2=80=9C
>>=20
>> Yes.  So enough with the =E2=80=9Crussian roulette with an automatic=E2=80=
=9D analogies.   That=E2=80=99s gross hyperbole, not science.
>>=20
>> It=E2=80=99s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have wi=
th the various threats that face us every day.
>>=20
>> What=E2=80=99s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   W=
hat=E2=80=99s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What=E2=80=99=
s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late a=
t night?
>>=20
>> Yet we all get on with our lives.
>>=20
>> =E2=80=94Justin
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>>=20
>> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>=
 wrote:
>> =20
>> =20
>> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  I=
t appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you ar=
e one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a=
 death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themsel=
ves =E2=80=98low risk=E2=80=99.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette=
 with an automatic.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a v=
accine in 18-24 months or achieve =E2=80=9CHerd Immunity=E2=80=9D which requ=
ires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order=
 to develop antibodies against the virus.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Am=
ericans to have had the virus.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some =C2=B111,000,000 peop=
le would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and t=
he demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would s=
ee some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross=
 your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the in=
dications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varyi=
ng degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and de=
ath rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of we=
eks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I th=
ink this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what=
 we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, unt=
il they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their ho=
spitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all th=
e very best of luck.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Ken
>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">YES!!! I also have no idea who emails to th=
is list if they don=E2=80=99t sign their name. It would be so nice if we kne=
w who you were.<div><br></div><div>(It=E2=80=99s just a phone mail app issue=
 for me, computer mail app doesn=E2=80=99t have this problem)<br><div><br></=
div><div>Dusty Nicholson&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 23, 2020, at 6:28 P=
M, Bob Kramer via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote>=
</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D=
"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Not responding to this=
 email but questioning if people know that some of these posts come from the=
 fot@autox.team.net and unless you sign your name we don=E2=80=99t know who i=
s writing.<div><br><div>Maybe others get the individual email address, but I=
 don=E2=80=99t.</div><div><br></div><div>Bob Kramer<br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent=
 from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 2=
3, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Stephen Jones via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote=
:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=
=BF<span style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px=
"><div>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-fam=
ily: Helvetica; min-height: 14px;">&nbsp;</p>

<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-fam=
ily: Helvetica; min-height: 14px;">&nbsp;</p>

<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-fam=
ily: Helvetica;">As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events=
 participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue o=
f whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing invol=
vement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with S=
VRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in cont=
act with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maxi=
mum safety for it=E2=80=99s members and competitors.</p>

<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-fam=
ily: Helvetica; min-height: 14px;">&nbsp;</p>

<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-fam=
ily: Helvetica;">With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing p=
roposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exe=
rcise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an es=
sential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than t=
o actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.</p>

<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-fam=
ily: Helvetica; min-height: 14px;">&nbsp;</p>

<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-fam=
ily: Helvetica;">Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own deci=
sion on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that c=
ould potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do no=
t wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment .I do not=
 believe there is a right or wrong answer, SVRA has taken extraordinary acti=
ons to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to a=
sk myself, is the risk worth the reward for me?&nbsp;</p>

<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-fam=
ily: Helvetica; min-height: 14px;">&nbsp;</p>

<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-fam=
ily: Helvetica;">I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kast=
ner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohi=
o has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the=
 decision to suspend further participation until the current health situatio=
n has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen&nbsp; =E2=80=9CLife is ra=
cing, the rest is just waiting.=E2=80=9D For myself, it is time to wait. I h=
ope the wait is not too long.</p>

<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-fam=
ily: Helvetica; min-height: 14px;">&nbsp;</p>

<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-fam=
ily: Helvetica;">Lastly, this is a passionate debate, and there appears to b=
e an atmosphere of rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that be=
fore one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-=
read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be e=
xercised.&nbsp; Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma sai=
d, =E2=80=9Cyou catch more bee=E2=80=99s with honey than vinegar=E2=80=9D&nb=
sp; After all, this post is called =E2=80=9CFriends of Triumph=E2=80=9D.</p>=

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<b>From</b>: "Ken Knight via Fot" &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
<b>Sent</b>: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:56 PM<br>
<b>To</b>: "J Wagner via Fot" &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
<b>Subject</b>: Re: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race</span>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>Well then all is going to just fine and you this will magically go away=
.&nbsp; Good luck.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>Sent=E2=80=89from=E2=80=89my=E2=80=89Verizon=E2=80=89Smartphone</div>

<div class=3D"elided-text">On May 22, 2020 2:44 PM, J Wagner via Fot &lt;fot=
@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:
<blockquote class=3D"quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance. &nbsp;I we=
ar a mask when requested by the business. &nbsp;I don=E2=80=99t go over and h=
ug folk. I don=E2=80=99t visit retirement homes. &nbsp;if I did, I=E2=80=99d=
 wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required. &nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many y=
ears ago, shortly after my dad=E2=80=99s death. &nbsp;The doctors said this p=
articular bug likely came from his garden. &nbsp;In the years since, did I s=
top gardening? &nbsp;Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I might pi=
ck up in my garden and share with family and friends? &nbsp;Dad, on the othe=
r hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing. &nbsp;You never know what=E2=
=80=99s going to take us.</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last y=
ear as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold. &nbsp; Age 5=
7.</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Really, look at the numbers. &nbsp; We can=E2=80=99t live i=
n a bubble.</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, l=
ong before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after. &=
nbsp;So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It c=
ould happen. &nbsp;Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror. &nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">This is not the pandemic where it=E2=80=99s so bad every fa=
mily will be touched and it=E2=80=99s ok to leave leave bodies at the curb f=
or pick up. &nbsp;It=E2=80=99s not playing russian roulette to try to get ba=
ck to some semblance of normalcy.</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to=
 lead you to not even admit your =E2=80=9CRussian Roulette with an automatic=
.=E2=80=9D was way off base.</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">And by the way, =E2=80=9C<span style=3D"background-color:rg=
ba( 255 , 255 , 255 , 0 )">While you are getting through Covid with no probl=
ems=E2=80=9D... you mean like how I=E2=80=99m unemployed with no prospects b=
ecause what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and e=
mergency services prepared, so there=E2=80=99d be enough beds, masks, and ve=
ntilators has gone on well beyond the need? &nbsp;&nbsp;</span></div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"background-color:rgba( 255 , 255 , 255 , 0 )=
">Your scare mongering is going =E2=80=9Cto be a real bitch when someone we p=
ersonally love=E2=80=9D faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized=
 by predators, etc. &nbsp;because of the lockdown. &nbsp;How=E2=80=99s it fe=
el to have people=E2=80=99s deaths laid on you like that? &nbsp;I wouldn=E2=80=
=99t have gone there.</span></div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"background-color:rgba( 255 , 255 , 255 , 0 )=
">I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree. &nbsp; I o=
nly posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT member=
s have a balance. &nbsp;</span></div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Never be beaten by a virus!</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=94Justin</div>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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<div>Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.&nbsp; While you are get=
ting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 3=
5 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.&nbsp; That=
 herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we p=
ersonally love will be dead.&nbsp; Ken</div>

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<div>Sent=E2=80=89from=E2=80=89my=E2=80=89Verizon=E2=80=89Smartphone</div>

<div class=3D"elided-text">On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I=E2=80=99m sorry Ken, IMHO, you=E2=80=99re way off base.</=
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<p><span style=3D"background-color:rgba( 255 , 255 , 255 , 0 )">=E2=80=9C...=
.Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselve=
s =E2=80=98low risk=E2=80=99.&nbsp; This virus is like playing Russian Roule=
tte with an automatic....=E2=80=9D</span></p>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were desc=
ribing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited.&nbsp;</div>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves =E2=80=9C=
low risk=E2=80=9D and no, it=E2=80=99s not like playing Russian Roulette at a=
ll. &nbsp;And it=E2=80=99s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.<=
/div>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issue=
s, sure, they should play it safe. &nbsp;And anyone with an underlying issue=
 should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves. &nbsp;The rest need to=
 get on with their lives. &nbsp;</div>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">The flu didn=E2=80=99t stop vintage racing.</div>

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<p><span style=3D"background-color:rgba( 255 , 255 , 255 , 0 )">=E2=80=9CIf p=
eople die at the current rate of 5.9% then....=E2=80=9D &nbsp;&nbsp;</span><=
/p>

<p>That =E2=80=9Ccurrent rate=E2=80=9D is not sustainable so your suppositio=
n is not based in reality. &nbsp;The curve doesn=E2=80=99t just happen in a d=
ay when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity. &=
nbsp;</p>

<p>And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces=
 their fall and numbers are rising there. &nbsp;We=E2=80=99re heading into o=
ur Summer!</p>
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">Let=E2=80=99s all take a reality pill here. &nbsp;</span></div>

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<p><span style=3D"background-color:rgba( 255 , 255 , 255 , 0 )">You said,&nb=
sp;</span><span style=3D"background-color:rgba( 255 , 255 , 255 , 0 )">=E2=80=
=9CWe are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.&nbsp;=
 </span><span style=3D"background-color:rgba( 255 , 255 , 255 , 0 )">I think=
 this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we=
 would like to have happen. =E2=80=9C</span></p>

<p>Yes. &nbsp;So enough with the =E2=80=9Crussian roulette with an automatic=
=E2=80=9D analogies. &nbsp; That=E2=80=99s gross hyperbole, not science.</p>=


<p>It=E2=80=99s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have wi=
th the various threats that face us every day.</p>

<p>What=E2=80=99s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed? &nb=
sp; What=E2=80=99s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening? &nbsp;W=
hat=E2=80=99s the stats on dying from pneumonia? &nbsp;Car accidents? &nbsp;=
Going to an ATM late at night?</p>

<p>Yet we all get on with our lives.</p>

<p>=E2=80=94Justin</p>

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On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:f=
ot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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<p>The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.&nb=
sp; It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.&nbsp; What=
 if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?<=
/p>

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<p>As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a=
 death rate 5.9%.&nbsp; Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.</p>

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<p>Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themsel=
ves =E2=80=98low risk=E2=80=99.&nbsp; This virus is like playing Russian Rou=
lette with an automatic.</p>

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<p>It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a v=
accine in 18-24 months or achieve =E2=80=9CHerd Immunity=E2=80=9D which requ=
ires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order=
 to develop antibodies against the virus.</p>

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<p>The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Am=
ericans to have had the virus.</p>

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<p>If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some =C2=B111,000,000 peop=
le would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.&nbsp; Even if better treatments=
 and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we w=
ould see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.</p>

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<p>Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.&nbsp; You can c=
ross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all th=
e indications are quite the opposite.&nbsp; We opened the country in mid May=
 to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbe=
rs and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.&nbsp; It takes a=
 couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospita=
ls.</p>

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<p>We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.&nbsp;=
 I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not=
 what we would like to have happen. &nbsp;&nbsp;I have a couple of good doct=
or friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are see=
ing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.=
&nbsp; I wish all the very best of luck.</p>

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<p>Ken</p>
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