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Now matter how the head gasket is oriented on the block, I also orient the
head gasket on the head to make sure the gasket does not intrude into the
combustion chamber, especially where the intake valve pocket is relieved.
Sometimes it doesn't exactly match the arc on the cylinder liner.
John Styduhar
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 6:21 PM fubog1 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
> The original steel shim gaskets had 1 front & 1 rear diagonal holes just
> slightly smaller so that the gasket would locate on those 2 studs; you la=
y
> the gasket on & screw in those 2 studs, and fit the head and the rest scr=
ew
> in easily.
> The current replacements have all of the holes same size.
> Glen Efinger
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> To: Phil Gott <vfracing@aol.com>
> Cc: FOT Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Mar 10, 2021 5:44 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] would any of you re-use head studs?
>
> Hi Phil. I used the same exact process when installing the steel shim
> head gaskets on my TR-4 race car all those years ago. 2 studs, head
> gasket, rest of studs (all gasket surfaces and the block liberally smeare=
d
> with Gaskacinch gasket sealer), then the cylinder head (also smeared with
> Gaskacinch).. Worked then, sounds like it still works now. Some things
> never change.
>
> Jack
>
> On Tuesday, March 9, 2021, 6:50:31 PM EST, Phil Gott via Fot <
> fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> I had been re-using stock head studs with no problems. But I found that
> the ability to install the ARP head studs with an Allen hex wench made it
> far easier to install the studs. I only put in two studs, then the pre
> treated head gasket, then the other head studs and finally, the head
> itself. Because the steel shim gaskets that I use are such a precision fi=
t
> on the studs, it is easier to install the gasket if there are only two
> studs in place. And yes, I re use the ARP studs.
> Phil Gott
> =E2=80=9865 TR4A HRG Group 3.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 9, 2021, at 3:53 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
>
> I re-use the ARP head studs. Don=E2=80=99t have any stock =E2=80=9Ccriti=
cal" bolts/studs
> in my race engine.
>
> On Mar 9, 2021, at 3:48 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot@autox.team.net=
>
> wrote:
>
> In 39 years of British cars, I've never replaced a head stud, never had a
> head stud failure. Broken most everything else...........except for coil=
s,
> never had a bad coil............
>
> Henry Morrison
>
> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 9, 2021 12:14 PM
> *To:* Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen@outlook.com>
> *Cc:* list Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] would any of you re-use head studs?
>
> I know some people always replace them, I have never replaced them and
> never had a problem with head gaskets or heads--the includes Sprite/Midge=
t,
> MGB, 4 and 6 cylinder TR, and big Healey.
>
> Somebody, maybe Randall, said run a good nut up and down the thread, if
> stretched it will bind.
>
> Greg Lemon, TR250
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 1:06 PM Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen@outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
> I respect your collective advice and experience. The 4A=E2=80=99s head is=
at the
> machinist for a cleanup (head gasket failure). Would any of you re-use th=
e
> head studs, or would you replace them? They are likely original, and even
> if not, have been in place for at least 25 years. I have my thoughts on
> this, but am interested in yours.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cliff
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Now=
matter how the head gasket is oriented on the block, I also orient the hea=
d gasket on the head to make sure the gasket does not intrude into the comb=
ustion chamber, especially where the intake valve pocket is relieved.=C2=A0=
Sometimes it doesn't exactly match the arc on the cylinder liner.</div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">John Styduhar=C2=A0=
</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 6:21 PM fubog1 via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:=
fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"color:black;font:10pt Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<div> <font size=3D"2">The original steel shim gaskets had 1 front & 1 =
rear diagonal holes just slightly smaller so that the gasket would locate o=
n those 2 studs; you lay the gasket on & screw in those 2 studs, and fi=
t the head and the rest screw in easily.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">The current replacements have all of the holes same s=
ize.<br>
</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Glen Efinger</font><br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font=
size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Jack Wheeler via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br>
To: Phil Gott <<a href=3D"mailto:vfracing@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank">vfr=
acing@aol.com</a>><br>
Cc: FOT Triumph <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
>fot@autox.team.net</a>><br>
Sent: Wed, Mar 10, 2021 5:44 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] would any of you re-use head studs?<br>
<br>
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erif;font-size:13px">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Phil.=C2=A0 I used the same exact process when installi=
ng the steel shim head gaskets on my TR-4 race car all those years ago.=C2=
=A0 2 studs, head gasket, rest of studs (all gasket surfaces and the block =
liberally smeared with Gaskacinch gasket sealer), then the cylinder head (a=
lso smeared with Gaskacinch)..=C2=A0 Worked then, sounds like it still work=
s now.=C2=A0 Some things never change.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Jack<br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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erif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
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<div>
On Tuesday, March 9, 2021, 6:50:31 PM EST, Phil Gott vi=
a Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox=
.team.net</a>> wrote:
</div>
=20
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<div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-625114231034107209yiv0476184875ydpd95e1bc4yiv6324567068=
">
<div>I had been re-using stock head studs with no problems. But I found tha=
t the ability to install the ARP head studs with an Allen hex wench made it=
far easier to install the studs. I only put in two studs, then the pre tre=
ated head gasket, then the other head studs and finally, the head itself. B=
ecause the steel shim gaskets that I use are such a precision fit on the st=
uds, it is easier to install the gasket if there are only two studs in plac=
e.=C2=A0 And yes, I re use the ARP studs.=C2=A0
<div>Phil Gott</div>
<div>=E2=80=9865 TR4A HRG Group 3.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-625114231034107209yiv0476184875ydpd95e1bc4yiv6324567068=
yqtfd15220"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 9, 2021, at=
3:53 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br cle=
ar=3D"none"></blockquote></div>
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yqtfd15152"><blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF</div>
</blockquote></div>
</div>
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<div id=3D"gmail-m_-625114231034107209yiv0476184875ydpd95e1bc4yiv6324567068=
yqtfd60231">
<div>I re-use the ARP head studs.=C2=A0 Don=E2=80=99t have any stock =E2=80=
=9Ccritical" bolts/studs in my race engine.<br clear=3D"none">
<div><br clear=3D"none">
<div>On Mar 9, 2021, at 3:48 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot <<a rel=3D"no=
follow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div></div>
</div>
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<div id=3D"gmail-m_-625114231034107209yiv0476184875ydpd95e1bc4yiv6324567068=
yqtfd44985">
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decoration-line:none;text-decoration-style:solid;text-decoration-color:curr=
entcolor;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">In 39 yea=
rs of British cars, I've never replaced a head stud, never had a head s=
tud failure.=C2=A0 Broken most everything else...........except for coils, =
never had a bad coil............</div>
<div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-=
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<div>I know some people always replace them, I have never replaced them and=
never had a problem with head gaskets or heads--the includes Sprite/Midget=
, MGB, 4 and 6 cylinder TR, and big Healey.
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>Somebody, maybe Randall, said run a good nut up and down the thread, i=
f stretched it will bind.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>Greg Lemon, TR250</div>
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dvice and experience. The 4A=E2=80=99s head is at the machinist for a clean=
up (head gasket failure). Would any of you re-use the head studs, or would =
you replace them? They are likely original, and even if not, have been in p=
lace for at least 25 years. I have my thoughts on this, but am interested i=
n yours.</div>
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