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Re: [Fot] Rebuild

To: "'robert bownes'" <bownes@web9.com>, "'Greg Blake'" <gblake58tr3@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Rebuild
From: Jim Gray via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 4 May 2021 16:46:30 -0600
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=E2=80=9Crequesting exit via the side of the block=E2=80=9D

                            -or_

Rapid un-scheduled disassembly

                        _or_

Non-linear, catastrophic mechanical exasperation

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From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of robert bownes via =
Fot
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 2:35 PM
To: Greg Blake <gblake58tr3@icloud.com>
Cc: FOT <fot@autox.team.net>; fubog1 <fubog1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Rebuild

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Pretty sure it is applicable to the 1147 as well, seeing as how I lost =
countless engines to #3 rod bearings melting down and requesting exit =
via the side of the block.=20

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On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 2:33 PM Greg Blake via Fot <fot@autox.team.net =

I forget guys, is this applicable to the 6 cylinder motors too (TR6, =
GT6).  Building a few of those motors in near future. =20

Sent from my iPhone





On May 4, 2021, at 12:32 PM, fubog1 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net =

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...glad you brought it up, specifically that's one of the most important =
mods to the oiling system.

Glen

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-----Original Message-----
From: Bud Rolofson via Fot <fot@autox.team.net =
Sent: Mon, May 3, 2021 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Rebuild

The first and most important thing on a 1300 is to make the middle oil =
feed passage larger. It serves cylinders 2 and 3 while the other two oil =
passages (front and rear) serve only 1 cylinder. You will end up with a =
grenade going off in your race engine eventually if that one thing is =
not done. Ask me how I know.=20

I wish I=E2=80=99d known that fact beforehand.

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Bud

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On May 2, 2021, at 5:57 AM, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot@autox.team.net =

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Hello Everyone,=20

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I am a new member and new to racing Spitfires.  In fact, my first =
experience with racing, competition school in Waterford MI, didn't  end =
well for my engine (see attachment).

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I am planning to rebuild an extra small journal 1300 and I am requesting =
advise from the very knowledgeable people on this site.  I have all the =
spare engine parts I could ever need and a great machine shop near by so =
mainly I am interested on advice on where to buy parts( pistons, rods =
,rings etc..).

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There are many sources on the internet but since I have never built one =
of these before I am interested in your input.

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Also, while I'm at it, I would like to improve my transmission and =
rearend.  I am open to anything from minor improvement to a complete =
swap of my transmission or rearend.

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Thanks for you help.

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>=E2=80=9C</span></b><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>requesting exit via the side of the =
block=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
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class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Rapid un-scheduled =
disassembly<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
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=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 _<i>or</i>_<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Non-linear, =
catastrophic mechanical exasperation<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Fot =
&lt;fot-bounces@autox.team.net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>robert bownes via =
Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 4, 2021 2:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> Greg =
Blake &lt;gblake58tr3@icloud.com&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> FOT =
&lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;; fubog1 =
&lt;fubog1@aol.com&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] =
Rebuild<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Pretty sure it is applicable to the 1147 as well, =
seeing as how I lost countless engines to #3 rod bearings melting down =
and requesting exit via the side of the block. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Tue, May 4, 2021 at 2:33 PM Greg Blake via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I forget guys, is this applicable to the =
6 cylinder motors too (TR6, GT6).&nbsp; Building a few of those motors =
in near future. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from =
my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On May 4, 2021, at 12:32 PM, fubog1 via =
Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BF <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>...=
glad you brought it up, specifically that's one of the most important =
mods to the oiling system.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Gle=
n<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message-----<br>From: Bud Rolofson via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>To: Rod Pierce &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:rpierce141@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">rpierce141@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Cc: <a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br>Sent: Mon, May 3, 2021 12:13 =
pm<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] Rebuild<o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_6425465178728301115yiv6634372391"><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
 first and most important thing on a 1300 is to make the middle oil feed =
passage larger. It serves cylinders 2 and 3 while the other two oil =
passages (front and rear) serve only 1 cylinder. You will end up with a =
grenade going off in your race engine eventually if that one thing is =
not done. Ask me how I know. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
wish I=E2=80=99d known that fact =
beforehand.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Bud=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_6425465178728301115yiv6634372391yqt83655"><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
May 2, 2021, at 5:57 AM, Rod Pierce via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hel=
lo Everyone, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
am a new member and new to racing Spitfires.&nbsp; In fact, my first =
experience with racing, competition school in Waterford MI, didn't&nbsp; =
end well for my engine (see =
attachment).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
am planning to rebuild an extra small journal 1300 and I am requesting =
advise from the very knowledgeable people on this site.&nbsp; I have all =
the spare engine parts I could ever need and a great machine shop near =
by so mainly I am interested on advice on where to buy parts( pistons, =
rods ,rings etc..).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
re are many sources on the internet but since I have never built one of =
these before I am interested in your =
input.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Als=
o, while I'm at it, I would like to improve my transmission and =
rearend.&nbsp; I am open to anything from minor improvement to a =
complete swap of my transmission or =
rearend.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Tha=
nks for you help.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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