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Re: [Fot] TR sleeve protrusion .011

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Subject: Re: [Fot] TR sleeve protrusion .011
From: Tony Drews via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 10:09:49 -0500
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Regards, Tony Drews

On 5/17/2023 9:45 AM, Larry Young via Fot wrote:
> I don't see how anyone ever gets this right without a variety of 
> gasket thicknesses. I bought brass shim stock of various thicknesses 
> and cut a bunch of shims. The problem using snips is it is difficult 
> to cut the inner diameter. You can make nice cuts using a cheap 
> circular cutter and a drill press. They will tend to curl up, but you 
> can work around that. Photos are needed to explain the procedure. I 
> think Tony used to have photos at his site. If they aren't still 
> there, I can try and locate them.
>  - Larry
>
> On 5/14/2023 4:24 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote:
>>
>> You can also make some custom thickness replacements for the figure 8 
>> gaskets to tune the protrusion.  You can get brass shim stock from 
>> local hardware store or McMaster Carr and cut out with scissors / 
>> snips.  I do separate O shapes, the siamesed cylinders don't really 
>> need the gasket combined into a fig 8 one.
>>
>> Decking the block on the wet liner engine makes this more fiddly.  
>> You'll want to verify piston height at TDC too.
>>
>> Regards, Tony Drews
>>
>> On 5/14/2023 2:07 PM, Steve Yott via Fot wrote:
>>> You can machine the cylinder seat the required amount.  I have a set 
>>> of mandrels I made and do this frequently on the lathe.
>>>
>>> Steve Yott
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Yott
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Philip Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>>> Date: 5/14/23 1:02 PM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: Friends Of Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: [Fot] TR sleeve protrusion .011
>>>
>>> Has anyone had experience with the cylinder sleeves protruding 
>>> .011â??? The head has been staked per Kasâ??s book.
>>> I am trying to build an engine quickly (avoiding machine shop 
>>> delays) and have a block with billet crank and Chris Marx seal 
>>> installed. It has been decked already. Also line bored and cam 
>>> bearings and cam installed and timed. I want to know if I can 
>>> assemble this with confidence or if I am asking for trouble? I donâ??t 
>>> anticipate problems with oil or water sealing as I will use Hylomar 
>>> on a .020â?? steel head gasket with the raised corrugating around the 
>>> oil and water galleys.
>>> The crank broke and a cylinder sleeve cracked in â??old reliableâ?? 
>>> during a test day.
>>> Please advise.
>>> Thanks and regards,
>>> Phil Gott
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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    <p>Pictures are at the bottom of this page:</p>
    <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
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    <p>Regards, Tony Drews<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/17/2023 9:45 AM, Larry Young via
      Fot wrote:<br>
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      I don't see how anyone ever gets this right without a variety of
      gasket thicknesses. I bought brass shim stock of various
      thicknesses and cut a bunch of shims. The problem using snips is
      it is difficult to cut the inner diameter. You can make nice cuts
      using a cheap circular cutter and a drill press. They will tend to
      curl up, but you can work around that. Photos are needed to
      explain the procedure. I think Tony used to have photos at his
      site. If they aren't still there, I can try and locate them.<br>
       - Larry<br>
      <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/14/2023 4:24 PM, Tony Drews via
        Fot wrote:<br>
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        cite="mid:581c9b12-100a-2a75-fd46-a890fb005ac1@tonydrews.com">
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        <p>You can also make some custom thickness replacements for the
          figure 8 gaskets to tune the protrusion.  You can get brass
          shim stock from local hardware store or McMaster Carr and cut
          out with scissors / snips.  I do separate O shapes, the
          siamesed cylinders don't really need the gasket combined into
          a fig 8 one.</p>
        <p>Decking the block on the wet liner engine makes this more
          fiddly.  You'll want to verify piston height at TDC too.</p>
        <p>Regards, Tony Drews<br>
        </p>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/14/2023 2:07 PM, Steve Yott
          via Fot wrote:<br>
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          cite="mid:20230514201811.9280BA0C8B@autox.team.net">
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          <div dir="auto">You can machine the cylinder seat the required
            amount.  I have a set of mandrels I made and do this
            frequently on the lathe.</div>
          <div dir="auto"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="auto">Steve Yott</div>
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            <div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" dir="auto">Steve
              Yott</div>
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            <div>-------- Original message --------</div>
            <div>From: Philip Gott via Fot <a
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            <div>Date: 5/14/23 1:02 PM (GMT-06:00) </div>
            <div>To: Friends Of Triumph <a
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moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;</a>
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            <div>Subject: [Fot] TR sleeve protrusion .011 </div>
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          Has anyone had experience with the cylinder sleeves protruding
          .011â??? The head has been staked per Kasâ??s book. <br>
          I am trying to build an engine quickly (avoiding machine shop
          delays) and have a block with billet crank and Chris Marx seal
          installed. It has been decked already. Also line bored and cam
          bearings and cam installed and timed. I want to know if I can
          assemble this with confidence or if I am asking for trouble? 
          I donâ??t anticipate problems with oil or water sealing as I
          will use Hylomar on a .020â?? steel head gasket with the raised
          corrugating around the oil and water galleys.<br>
          The crank broke and a cylinder sleeve cracked in â??old
          reliableâ?? during a test day.<br>
          Please advise.<br>
          Thanks and regards,<br>
          Phil Gott<br>
          <br>
          Sent from my iPhone<br>
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