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I will agree with Terry, SVRA is a business and it is about the money and c=
ornering the market in vintage racing. I would prefer to race the K Cup wi=
th a club owned and run by members. Ken
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From: Terry Sopher via Fot
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2023 10:42 AM
To: Curt Johnston
Cc: yellow04 via Fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner Cups=
?Festival or club events?
FWIW - Not a fan of SVRA after Kcup with them at Mid-Ohio and from my exper=
ience with them prior - they appear to be about chasing $s=E2=80=A6
On Jul 27, 2023, at 05:56, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote=
:
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Great debate.=C2=A0 I agree with Brian Dolan as well that we should have a =
mix of venues.=C2=A0 Road America was certainly a destination track for me =
(2,200 miles from the race shop), and Road Atlanta is on my bucket list too=
.=C2=A0 But the track time was extremely limited.=C2=A0 I think the KC race=
was only seven laps.=20
=C2=A0=20
For 2023, my personal preference would have been to run the event with CSRG=
, the local club at Sonoma Raceway.=C2=A0 But their races are being held in=
the spring and fall (March and Sept/Oct/Nov) which seems problematic for t=
hose making tows over the mountains passes.=C2=A0 SVRA had the later date w=
e needed being the last weekend in April, plus they run at Laguna Seca the =
very next weekend.=C2=A0 Note, we can not get a Kastner Cup race at Laguna =
with SVRA; the event is just too big.=20
=C2=A0=20
I'll work with SVRA to maximize the track time for FOT at Sonoma and report=
out as soon as possible.=C2=A0 I can tell you that if you can make the tow=
, you will not be disappointed.=C2=A0 Sonoma and Laguna Seca should be on y=
our bucket list.=C2=A0=20
=C2=A0=20
If we have enough folks attending both events, we should be able to organiz=
e some group activities in the wine country or Monterey during the weekdays=
.=C2=A0 The tracks are only about two hours apart, and SVRA accommodates tr=
ailer storage for racers running both events.=C2=A0 If that's not enough, S=
onoma Raceway held an open testing day this year the Friday before the SVRA=
race.....seven hours of unlimited track time!=20
=C2=A0=20
Curt Johnston=20
curt.johnston@comcast.net=20
707-249-1667=20
On 07/26/2023 10:20 AM PDT yellow04 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:=20
=C2=A0=20
=C2=A0=20
I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry for the repeat.=20
=C2=A0=20
We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are trying=
to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would prefer to ru=
n future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more intimate club even=
ts. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian!=20
=C2=A0=20
Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific (bucketlist?)=
track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I would love to g=
et back to Road Atlanta.=20
=C2=A0=20
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06=E2=80=AFPM yellow04 via Fot <fot@autox.team.n=
et> wrote:=20
This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we=20
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options=20
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.=20
Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many=20
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of=20
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check=20
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our=20
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the=20
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are=20
as follows:=20
Festival Events=20
Typically higher entrance fees.=20
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a=20
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility=20
of incidents, shortening sessions.=20
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility=20
with the packed schedule.=20
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from=20
a wide variety of media.=20
~=20
Club Events=20
Typically lower entrance fees.=20
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run=20
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't=20
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted=20
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.=20
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good=20
exposure from the normal sources.=20
~=20
I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the=20
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated=20
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is=20
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer=20
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the=20
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and=20
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.=20
Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer=20
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?=20
While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run=20
at? That would be helpful information as well!=20
Cheers=20
Henry Frye=20
On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:=20
> I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attended very=20
> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran=20
> at Road Atlanta.=20
>=20
> Ronnie=20
>=20
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22@gmail.com wrote:=20
>>=20
>> Would it have to be at the Mitty?=20
>>=20
>> Chuck=20
>>=20
>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot=20
>>> <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:=20
>>>=20
>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta du=
ring the Mitty.=20
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'word-wrap:break-word'><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>I wil=
l agree with Terry, SVRA is a business and it is about the money and corner=
ing the market in vintage racing.=C2=A0 I would prefer to race the K Cup wi=
th a club owned and run by members.=C2=A0 Ken</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>=
</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.micros=
oft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986">Mail</a> for Windows</p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><o:p> </o:p></p><div style=3D'mso-element:para-border-div;border:no=
ne;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMso=
Normal style=3D'border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:fot=
@autox.team.net">Terry Sopher via Fot</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, July 27=
, 2023 10:42 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:curt.johnston@comcast.net";>=
Curt Johnston</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>yello=
w04 via Fot</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fot] What kind of event do you pref=
er for future Kastner Cups?Festival or club events?</p></div><p class=3DMso=
Normal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>FWIW - Not a fan of S=
VRA after Kcup with them at Mid-Ohio and from my experience with them prior=
- they appear to be about chasing $s=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.=
0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt=
'>On Jul 27, 2023, at 05:56, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot@autox.team.net&g=
t; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:=
5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BF <o:p></o:p><=
/p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"H=
elvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Great debate. I agree with Brian =
Dolan as well that we should have a mix of venues. Road America was c=
ertainly a destination track for me (2,200 miles from the race shop), and R=
oad Atlanta is on my bucket list too. But the track time was extremel=
y limited. I think the KC race was only seven laps. <o:p></o:p></span=
></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"=
Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>For 2023, my personal preference would=
have been to run the event with CSRG, the local club at Sonoma Raceway.&nb=
sp; But their races are being held in the spring and fall (March and Sept/O=
ct/Nov) which seems problematic for those making tows over the mountains pa=
sses. SVRA had the later date we needed being the last weekend in Apr=
il, plus they run at Laguna Seca the very next weekend. Note, we can =
not get a Kastner Cup race at Laguna with SVRA; the event is just too big. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'> <o:p></=
o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.=
0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>I'll work with SVRA t=
o maximize the track time for FOT at Sonoma and report out as soon as possi=
ble. I can tell you that if you can make the tow, you will not be dis=
appointed. Sonoma and Laguna Seca should be on your bucket list. =
; <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font=
-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'> <o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:1=
2.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>If we have enough f=
olks attending both events, we should be able to organize some group activi=
ties in the wine country or Monterey during the weekdays. The tracks =
are only about two hours apart, and SVRA accommodates trailer storage for r=
acers running both events. If that's not enough, Sonoma Raceway held =
an open testing day this year the Friday before the SVRA race.....seven hou=
rs of unlimited track time! <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;c=
olor:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#3=
33333'>Curt Johnston <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#3=
33333'><a href=3D"mailto:curt.johnston@comcast.net";>curt.johnston@comcast.n=
et</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D=
'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>707-249=
-1667 <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;mar=
gin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 07/26/2023 10:20 AM PDT yell=
ow04 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p=
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&n=
bsp; <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I meant to change the s=
ubject line of this post, sorry for the repeat. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>W=
e are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are trying =
to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would prefer to run=
future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more intimate club event=
s. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian! <o:p></o:p></p></div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal=
>Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific (bucketlist?=
) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I would love to =
get back to Road Atlanta. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&n=
bsp; <o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=3Dreplybody1><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06=
=E2=80=AFPM yellow04 via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@=
autox.team.net</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thi=
s seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we <br>racers =
want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options <br>are the =
smaller club events, or the big festival events. <br><br>Having competed at=
several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many <br>aspects of the we=
ekend that are the same regardless of the type of <br>event. We get to meet=
and mingle with new racers and old friends, check <br>out cars we don't ty=
pically run with, and get some insight on how our <br>cars run against othe=
r Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the <br>fun. However, the dif=
ferences I see between the two types of events are <br>as follows: <br><br>=
Festival Events <br><br>Typically higher entrance fees. <br>Less track time=
because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a <br>wide variety of=
race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility <br>of incidents, =
shortening sessions. <br>Organizers have less negotiating power as there is=
little flexibility <br>with the packed schedule. <br>Possibly more exposur=
e to the Marque and vintage racing in general from <br>a wide variety of me=
dia. <br><br>~ <br><br>Club Events <br><br>Typically lower entrance fees. <=
br>More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run =
<br>group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't <br>=
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted <b=
r>by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience. <br>Limited media exp=
osure compared to a major festival event, but good <br>exposure from the no=
rmal sources. <br><br>~ <br><br>I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. =
To me, track time is the <br>biggest draw for an event. I also look at the =
value, the anticipated <br>track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in f=
ront of 10,000 people is <br>all fine and good, but not a draw for me at al=
l. Many of my racer <br>friends share this general opinion with me, but we =
can't ignore the <br>success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers =
in general, and <br>very strong numbers for racers with very long tows. <br=
><br>Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer <=
br>future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events? <b=
r><br>While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to ru=
n <br>at? That would be helpful information as well! <br><br>Cheers <br><br=
>Henry Frye <br><br><br>On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote: =
<br>> I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attended ve=
ry <br>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was la=
st ran <br>> at Road Atlanta. <br>> <br>> Ronnie <br>> <br>>=
> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:chasgee22@gmail.com";>c=
hasgee22@gmail.com</a> wrote: <br>>> <br>>> Would it have to be=
at the Mitty? <br>>> <br>>> Chuck <br>>> <br>>>>=
; On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <br>>>> <=
<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: <br=
>>>> <br>>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the K=
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