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[Healeys] Fw: Ah, the rivet...and the Assumptions Within

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Subject: [Healeys] Fw: Ah, the rivet...and the Assumptions Within
From: "Dick Matson" <medlabinc@msn.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:22:42 -0800
Hi Gary and all:

I have a "have" '66 with rivet-type headlight rims.

BUT . . . but .  .  . the car was redone by Forintune in the early 80's.

So, are the headlight rims original to the car.  Maybe.  Maybe not.


Dick Matson / Bj8


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To: healey@hunterbane.com<mailto:healey@hunterbane.com>
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Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Ah, the rivet...and the Assumptions Within


In a message dated 12/6/10 8:26:39 AM,
healey@hunterbane.com<mailto:healey@hunterbane.com> writes:


> I am surprised that you as an editor are using assumptions to make
> your case, but since I am not, I think I will.  I should start off by
> saying that I am a "have-not" and deeply suffer from the rivet envy
> because of the emphases placed on it from the "haves".  While mine is
> without, it is still a  NOS high quality chrome OEM part that is a
> correct fit and as it has the same part number as the lucas
> replacement parts list for a 60-61 year model, which also matches the
> 62-67 part number on 2 different Lucas catalogues that I have in my
> possession.  So, if they got it wrong, they got it wrong on at least 2
> accounts.
>

Interesting comments. People make assumptions all the time to fill in the
gaps when recorded history is insufficient to provide exact answers. The only
harm is when people overlay known fact with assumptions that suit their
interpretation of history -- as seems to be the case in politics these days
--
What we try to do with the concours standards is to make assumptions and
label them as such, if we're aware that there is an issue, until we have more
facts.

But, you make an interesting point regarding possibilities for changes in
the headlamp rim. If other changes were being made that might have permitted
the supplier to make a cost-saving change in the headlight rim during
production, then dimpled headlight rims should be found on all of the last
run
of
convertibles. All of them. So, the question to people who own phase II Mark
IIIs is: do you have dimples or real rivets with snap brackets on the back?

If we could establish that the all of the last convertibles produced had
the dimples rather than the rivets, then our question would shift to when the
change point occurred, and we could modify the standards to indicate that
such a change appears to have taken place, but we don't know when.

Is there anyone on this list with a late unrestored convertible -- say,
built in 1966 -- that has riveted headlamp rims?
Thanks
Gary
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