Re: [Healeys] FW: Oil again

[WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com>]

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Aw that's nothing. My car has always leaked oil profusely even though I tho=
ught I had covered all the bases the last time I rebuilt it. Lip seals on b=
oth ends of the crankshaft=2C careful fitting and Hylomar on all of the ext=
erior gaskets and the rear main bearing block. It still wouldn't hold oil (=
or a head gasket). Now it is down again (broken pistons on #1 and #2) so I'=
m doing a total rebuild. The first item of business is machine work on the =
block and the machinist said (roughly) that the top of the block resembled =
a ski jump=2C one corner was 0.012" higher than the other. I guess because =
of that I couldn't get the gasket to seal around the oil passage and all th=
e oil was running out of the head gasket and down both sides of the engine=
=2C not to mention contaminating the coolant system. Looks like some select=
 vendors will be separating me from more of my money...
Bill LawrenceBN1 #554

Date: Mon=2C 22 Jun 2015 11:33:11 -0700
Subject: Re: [Healeys] FW: Oil again
From: eyera3@gmail.com
To: ynotink@msn.com
CC: glemon@neb.rr.com=3B healeys@autox.team.net

Ya know oil doesn't stay in my car very long anyway to worry about. Serious=
ly=2C  I found the problem m The back of the valve cover was flat=2C plus t=
he gasket had slid forward =0A=
Mr. Ira Erbs=0A=
On Jun 20=2C 2015 8:21 AM=2C "WILLIAM B LAWRENCE" <ynotink@msn.com> wrote:
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Greg=2C I don't think the brand matters much. They all have to meet the API=
 specification. I think all the rest is marketing.=20

From: glemon@neb.rr.com
To: ynotink@msn.com=3B healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] FW:  Oil again
Date: Sat=2C 20 Jun 2015 01:02:40 -0500

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Thank you Bill=2C although it doesn't tell me which brand to pick=2C your c=
lear =0A=
explanation of the oil codes and changes in formulation give a very good =
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background for someone trying to muddle through the oil choice issues class=
ic =0A=
car drivers face these days=2C and understand why oil choice/availability h=
ad =0A=
become a significant issue.=0A=
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Greg Lemon=0A=
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From: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE =0A=
Sent: Thursday=2C June 18=2C 2015 6:58 PM=0A=
To: healeys@autox.team.net =0A=
Subject: [Healeys] FW: Oil again=0A=

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From: ynotink@msn.com
To: michael.oritt@gmail.com
Subject: =0A=
RE: [Healeys] Oil again
Date: Thu=2C 18 Jun 2015 03:08:45 +0000

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I see I'm late to the party on this topic. I was up in the Rocky =0A=
Mountains participating in the Glenwood Springs Rallye when it started and =
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frankly I wish I still were. However=2C at the risk of being called ignoran=
t=2C =0A=
uninformed=2C commie pinko or whatever I have a little information that may=
 be of =0A=
help in sorting out the oil confusion.  =0A=

=0A=
Engine oil comes in generations as defined by the additive packages which =
=0A=
are blended in to tailor them for specific purposes. These generations can =
be =0A=
traced by the API codes which are located on the container. =0A=

=0A=
The API code is two letters found on the label. The first letter is either =
a C=2C which denotes the oil is =0A=
intended for use in a compression ignition engine=2C or an S which denotes =
it is =0A=
intended for use in a spark ignition engine.=0A=

=0A=
The second letter denotes the type of use intended and follows the =0A=
development of the internal combustion engine from the most primitive (A) t=
o the =0A=
most sophisticated (I think they are at O Now). protective amounts of zinc =
were =0A=
dropped from the additive package at SM. Any oil before that=2C or say from=
 SD =0A=
through SL=2C still contains zinc.=0A=

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It may be true that zinc is not necessary for engines after the camshaft =
=0A=
break-in=2C but I prefer to be cautious on that score so I look for oil tha=
t is SL =0A=
or earlier. I'll let the more informed and adventurous members conduct that=
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experiment...=0A=

=0A=
Some heavy duty oils such as Chevron Delo or Rotella are rated for both =0A=
compression ignition and for spark ignition service and will show both a C =
and =0A=
an S rating. In some cases those oils will still have an SM or later =0A=
rating.=0A=

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The one oil type I have found that is reliably rated below SM is four =0A=
stroke motorcycle oil because motorcycles don't have catalysts. Typically i=
t is =0A=
rated SF or SG. Since the oil has no way of =0A=
knowing it is being run in an automotive engine and my Healey doesn't know =
the =0A=
oil it's spewing is meant for a motorcycle I have been running Castrol 4T i=
n =0A=
20W-50 grade quite happily.=0A=

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As for the controversy part=2C if we start banning contentious topics we so=
on =0A=
won't have anything to talk about like most modern college campuses.=0A=

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Bill Lawrence=0A=
BN1 #554

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From: michael.oritt@gmail.com
Date: Sat=2C 13 Jun 2015 06:14:11 -0400
To: =0A=
javrugtman@htcnet.org
CC: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] =0A=
Oil again

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We ALWAYS talk about oil and =0A=
no one seems to have the answer=2C so we simply keep talking about it. =0A=
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For a change let's talk about =0A=
politics or religion=2C two topics which are susceptible to absolute rectit=
ude. =0A=
Many or most of us do not have the correct answers on either and someone =
=0A=
here--perhaps an unknown lurker--may choose to now come forward with his or=
 her =0A=
enlightenment and reveal it to us. =20
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To mix a metaphor=2C I now =0A=
listen with a jaundiced eye.=0A=

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Best--Michael =0A=
Oritt =0A=

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On Fri=2C Jun 12=2C 2015 at 7:45 PM=2C John Vrugtman <javrugtman@htcnet.org=
> wrote:
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  politics and religion=2C like water and oil=2C don't mix.  On the other =
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  hand=2C oil and Healeys mix very well.
JAV

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  On 6/12/2015 7:16 PM=2C Richard Kahn wrote:
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    I think topics like politics=2C religion=2C and oil should be =0A=
    taboo. There is no best in any of these topics.
Rich Kahn

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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>Aw that's nothing. My car has al=
ways leaked oil profusely even though I thought I had covered all the bases=
 the last time I rebuilt it. Lip seals on both ends of the crankshaft=2C ca=
reful fitting and Hylomar on all of the exterior gaskets and the rear main =
bearing block. It still wouldn't hold oil (or a head gasket). Now it is dow=
n again (broken pistons on #1 and #2) so I'm doing a total rebuild. The fir=
st item of business is machine work on the block and the machinist said (ro=
ughly) that the top of the block resembled a ski jump=2C one corner was 0.0=
12" higher than the other. I guess because of that I couldn't get the gaske=
t to seal around the oil passage and all the oil was running out of the hea=
d gasket and down both sides of the engine=2C not to mention contaminating =
the coolant system. Looks like some select vendors will be separating me fr=
om more of my money...<div><br></div><div>Bill Lawrence</div><div>BN1 #554<=
br><br><div><hr id=3D"stopSpelling">Date: Mon=2C 22 Jun 2015 11:33:11 -0700=
<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] FW: Oil again<br>From: eyera3@gmail.com<br>To: y=
notink@msn.com<br>CC: glemon@neb.rr.com=3B healeys@autox.team.net<br><br><p=
 dir=3D"ltr">Ya know oil doesn't stay in my car very long anyway to worry a=
bout. Seriously=2C&nbsp=3B I found the problem m The back of the valve cove=
r was flat=2C plus the gasket had slid forward </p>=0A=
<p dir=3D"ltr">Mr. Ira Erbs</p>=0A=
<div class=3D"ecxgmail_quote">On Jun 20=2C 2015 8:21 AM=2C "WILLIAM B LAWRE=
NCE" &lt=3B<a href=3D"mailto:ynotink@msn.com";>ynotink@msn.com</a>&gt=3B wro=
te:<br><blockquote class=3D"ecxgmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid=3Bpadding-left:1ex=3B">=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
<div><div dir=3D"ltr">Greg=2C I don't think the brand matters much. They al=
l have to meet the API specification. I think all the rest is marketing.&nb=
sp=3B<br><br><div><hr>From: <a href=3D"mailto:glemon@neb.rr.com"; target=3D"=
_blank">glemon@neb.rr.com</a><br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:ynotink@msn.com"; tar=
get=3D"_blank">ynotink@msn.com</a>=3B <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.=
net" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [Healeys]=
 FW:  Oil again<br>Date: Sat=2C 20 Jun 2015 01:02:40 -0500<br><br>=0A=
=0A=
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=0A=
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<div>Thank you Bill=2C although it doesn't tell me which brand to pick=2C y=
our clear =0A=
explanation of the oil codes and changes in formulation give a very good =
=0A=
background for someone trying to muddle through the oil choice issues class=
ic =0A=
car drivers face these days=2C and understand why oil choice/availability h=
ad =0A=
become a significant issue.</div>=0A=
<div>&nbsp=3B</div>=0A=
<div>Greg Lemon</div>=0A=
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt Tahoma=3B">=0A=
<div><br></div>=0A=
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5=3B">=0A=
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"ynotink@msn.com" href=3D"mailto:ynotink@msn.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">WILLIAM B LAWRENCE</a> </div>=0A=
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday=2C June 18=2C 2015 6:58 PM</div>=0A=
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"healeys@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:healeys@=
autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a> </div>=0A=
<div><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] FW: Oil again</div></div></div>=0A=
<div><br></div>=0A=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>=0A=
<div>=0A=
<hr>=0A=
From: <a href=3D"mailto:ynotink@msn.com"; target=3D"_blank">ynotink@msn.com<=
/a><br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">mic=
hael.oritt@gmail.com</a><br>Subject: =0A=
RE: [Healeys] Oil again<br>Date: Thu=2C 18 Jun 2015 03:08:45 +0000<br><br>=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
<div dir=3D"ltr">I see I'm late to the party on this topic. I was up in the=
 Rocky =0A=
Mountains participating in the Glenwood Springs Rallye when it started and =
=0A=
frankly I wish I still were. However=2C at the risk of being called ignoran=
t=2C =0A=
uninformed=2C commie pinko or whatever I have a little information that may=
 be of =0A=
help in sorting out the oil confusion.&nbsp=3B =0A=
<div><br></div>=0A=
<div>Engine oil comes in generations as defined by the additive packages wh=
ich =0A=
are blended in to tailor them for specific purposes. These generations can =
be =0A=
traced by the API codes which are located on the container.&nbsp=3B</div>=
=0A=
<div><br></div>=0A=
<div>The API code is two letters found on the label.&nbsp=3B<span style=3D"=
FONT-SIZE:12pt=3B">The first letter is either a C=2C which denotes the oil =
is =0A=
intended for use in a compression ignition engine=2C or an S which denotes =
it is =0A=
intended for use in a spark ignition engine.</span></div>=0A=
<div><br></div>=0A=
<div>The second letter denotes the type of use intended and follows the =0A=
development of the internal combustion engine from the most primitive (A) t=
o the =0A=
most sophisticated (I think they are at O Now). protective amounts of zinc =
were =0A=
dropped from the additive package at SM. Any oil before that=2C or say from=
 SD =0A=
through SL=2C still contains zinc.</div>=0A=
<div><br></div>=0A=
<div>It may be true that zinc is not necessary for engines after the camsha=
ft =0A=
break-in=2C but I prefer to be cautious on that score so I look for oil tha=
t is SL =0A=
or earlier. I'll let the more informed and adventurous members conduct that=
 =0A=
experiment...</div>=0A=
<div><br></div>=0A=
<div>Some heavy duty oils such as Chevron Delo or Rotella are rated for bot=
h =0A=
compression ignition and for spark ignition service and will show both a C =
and =0A=
an S rating. In some cases those oils will still have an SM or later =0A=
rating.</div>=0A=
<div><br></div>=0A=
<div>The one oil type I have found that is reliably rated below SM is four =
=0A=
stroke motorcycle oil because motorcycles don't have catalysts. Typically i=
t is =0A=
rated SF or SG.&nbsp=3B<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=3B">Since the oil has =
no way of =0A=
knowing it is being run in an automotive engine and my Healey doesn't know =
the =0A=
oil it's spewing is meant for a motorcycle I have been running Castrol 4T i=
n =0A=
20W-50 grade quite happily.</span></div>=0A=
<div><br></div>=0A=
<div>As for the controversy part=2C if we start banning contentious topics =
we soon =0A=
won't have anything to talk about like most modern college campuses.</div>=
=0A=
<div><br></div>=0A=
<div>Bill Lawrence</div>=0A=
<div>BN1 #554<br><br>=0A=
<div>=0A=
<hr>=0A=
From: <a href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">michael.=
oritt@gmail.com</a><br>Date: Sat=2C 13 Jun 2015 06:14:11 -0400<br>To: =0A=
<a href=3D"mailto:javrugtman@htcnet.org"; target=3D"_blank">javrugtman@htcne=
t.org</a><br>CC: <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank=
">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] =0A=
Oil again<br><br>=0A=
<div dir=3D"ltr">=0A=
<div style=3D"COLOR:#3333ff=3B">We ALWAYS talk about oil and =0A=
no one seems to have the answer=2C so we simply keep talking about it. =0A=
&nbsp=3B</div>=0A=
<div style=3D"COLOR:#3333ff=3B">For a change let's talk about =0A=
politics or religion=2C two topics which are susceptible to absolute rectit=
ude. =0A=
Many or most of us do not have the correct answers on either and someone =
=0A=
here--perhaps an unknown lurker--may choose to now come forward with his or=
 her =0A=
enlightenment and reveal it to us. &nbsp=3B<br></div>=0A=
<div style=3D"COLOR:#3333ff=3B"><br></div>=0A=
<div style=3D"COLOR:#3333ff=3B">To mix a metaphor=2C I now =0A=
listen with a jaundiced eye.</div>=0A=
<div style=3D"COLOR:#3333ff=3B"><br></div>=0A=
<div style=3D"COLOR:#3333ff=3B">Best--Michael =0A=
Oritt&nbsp=3B</div></div>=0A=
<div><br>=0A=
<div>On Fri=2C Jun 12=2C 2015 at 7:45 PM=2C John Vrugtman <span dir=3D"ltr"=
>&lt=3B<a href=3D"mailto:javrugtman@htcnet.org"; target=3D"_blank">javrugtma=
n@htcnet.org</a>&gt=3B</span> wrote:<br>=0A=
<blockquote style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex=3BBORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid=3B">=0A=
  <div>politics and religion=2C like water and oil=2C don't mix.&nbsp=3B On=
 the other =0A=
  hand=2C oil and Healeys mix very well.<br>JAV<span><br><br>=0A=
  <div>On 6/12/2015 7:16 PM=2C Richard Kahn wrote:<br></div>=0A=
  <blockquote>=0A=
    <div dir=3D"ltr">I think topics like politics=2C religion=2C and oil sh=
ould be =0A=
    taboo. There is no best in any of these topics.<br>Rich Kahn<br></div><=
br>=0A=
    <fieldset></fieldset> <br><pre></pre></blockquote><br></span></div><br>=
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