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Subject: Re: [Healeys] SU Needles & OIL ( or lack of )
From: Michael <michael.salter@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 08:12:26 -0400
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Hi Keith,
Can't help you much on #1
But regarding bearing clatter on startup my engine does the same thing as y=
ours on the first start of the day.=20
The engine has very few miles on it since I "freshened" it last winter.
I Plastigaged (spell check sure doesn't like that one) and the Glacier rod =
and main shells were all well within spec.=20
The oil pressure with VR1 20/50 is 55p.s.i. hot at 3000 RPM and the only ti=
me I hear the clatter is on the first start of the day.
I have removed and rechecked the original filter assembly and everything se=
ems to be fine.
BTW my MGBGT does exactly the same thing.
I suspect that it is not a problem but would like to hear others CONSTRUCTI=
VE input.
Michael S
BN1 #174



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From: "Oudesluys" <coudesluijs@chello.nl>
Sent: =E2=80=8E24/=E2=80=8E06/=E2=80=8E2015 3:50 a.m.
To: "healeys@autox.team.net" <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] SU Needles & OIL ( or lack of )

Problem 1: How do you know the engine is running rich? Is it OK at idling (=
blue on the ColorTune: correct, orange: rich), are the plugs black after a =
long stretch?

Problem 2: What is your oil pressure at say 2500rpm and at idle when the en=
gine is really hot after a long high speed run. Is the oil pressure slightl=
y dipping when you blip the engine when hot?

If at start up after only one night you can actually hear the bearings rumb=
ling/rattling I would suspect worn bearings or, but unlikely, the wrong oil=
 (way to thin) if you are lucky.
Other causes can be:
faulty/absent non return valve in the oil filter
small leak in the suction part of the oil pump circuit

Never start a cold engine using the throttle to rev it up immediately after=
 firing. Let it idle until you read oil pressure. On my JH car it can take =
over 20 seconds before I have oil pressure.

Kees Oudesluijs


Keith Taylor schreef op 24-6-2015 om 8:36:

G'Day=20


Problem 1=20


 I have a BN2 with Le Mans upgrades ,  1 3/4 carbys with OA6 needles & the =
car is running very rich,
I have ordered weaker OA8 needles hoping to sort out this problem . However=
 this car has flat top pistons hence much higher compression .
Am I going down the right road .


Problem 2


This car left standing overnight ,on startup has a severe bearing rattle , =
my long time mechanic ( retired, read old ex BMC man)  is of the opinion=20
that the spin off filter non-return is failing The oil release valve seems =
to be in good condition. Startup now is to crank over without starting
 to get oil pressure up then fire up , Subsequent startups are not a proble=
m


Keith Taylor
Southern Highlands OZ


BN1
BN2

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: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Hi Keith,<br>Can't help you much on=
 #1<br>But regarding bearing clatter on startup my engine does the same thi=
ng as yours on the first start of the day. <br>The engine has very few mile=
s on it since I "freshened" it last winter.<br>I Plastigaged (spell check s=
ure doesn't like that one) and the Glacier rod and main shells were all wel=
l within spec. <br>The oil pressure with VR1 20/50 is 55p.s.i. hot at 3000 =
RPM and the only time I hear the clatter is on the first start of the day.<=
br>I have removed and rechecked the original filter assembly and everything=
 seems to be fine.<br>BTW my MGBGT does exactly the same thing.<br>I suspec=
t that it is not a problem but would like to hear others CONSTRUCTIVE input=
.<br>Michael S<br>BN1 #174<br><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><hr><span st=
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    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Problem 1: How do you know the engine=0A=
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      Problem 2: What is your oil pressure at say 2500rpm and at idle=0A=
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      oil pressure slightly dipping when you blip the engine when hot?<br>=
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      If at start up after only one night you can actually hear the=0A=
      bearings rumbling/rattling I would suspect worn bearings or, but=0A=
      unlikely, the wrong oil (way to thin) if you are lucky.<br>=0A=
      Other causes can be:<br>=0A=
      faulty/absent non return valve in the oil filter<br>=0A=
      small leak in the suction part of the oil pump circuit<br>=0A=
      <br>=0A=
      Never start a cold engine using the throttle to rev it up=0A=
      immediately after firing. Let it idle until you read oil pressure.=0A=
      On my JH car it can take over 20 seconds before I have oil=0A=
      pressure.<br>=0A=
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        <div>&nbsp;I have a BN2 with Le Mans upgrades ,&nbsp; 1 3/4 carbys =
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          OA6 needles &amp; the car is running very rich,</div>=0A=
        <div>I have ordered weaker&nbsp;OA8 needles hoping to sort out this=
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          problem . However this car has flat top pistons hence much=0A=
          higher compression&nbsp;.</div>=0A=
        <div>Am I going down the right road&nbsp;.</div>=0A=
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        <div>Problem 2</div>=0A=
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        <div>This car left standing overnight ,on startup has a severe=0A=
          bearing rattle , my long time mechanic&nbsp;(&nbsp;retired,&nbsp;=
read old ex=0A=
          BMC man)&nbsp; is of the opinion </div>=0A=
        <div>that the spin off filter non-return is failing&nbsp;The oil=0A=
          release valve seems to be in good condition. Startup now is to=0A=
          crank over without starting</div>=0A=
        <div>&nbsp;to get oil pressure up then fire up ,&nbsp;Subsequent st=
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