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Re: [Healeys] Camshaft differences

To: Chris Dimmock <austin.healey@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Camshaft differences
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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 18:01:17 -0800
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After many years of racing I became aware of the rings on the cams and I
made a few notes from time to time. After reviewing my notes I hope I can
shed some light.
In the photo that I see, the cams are placed from left to right - not top
to bottom. Starting with the far left cam - the one with no rings - I
believe to be a very late 3000 cam. This one should have a part # stamped
on the end. (I once saw a BJ7 cam with no rings and it had part #12B594
stamped on the end). The next two cams have a single ring and I believe
these are early 3000 cams. The 4th cam with a 2 rings is a 100-6 cam. The
5th cam on the far right is not clear, it appears to have 3 grooves ... if
that makes it a 2 ring cam then it is also a 100-6 cam.

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 3:16 AM, Chris Dimmock <austin.healey@gmail.com>
wrote:

> And here's a picture.
> Pic the wrong one out.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 8 Feb 2016, at 10:07 PM, Chris Dimmock <austin.healey@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Andy.
> > There are 2 gear drives on a camshaft.
> > One for the distributor.
> > One for the oil pump.
> > The drive for the distributor was always the same number of teeth.
> > Always on a C series engine. Same same same.
> > Oil pump? That's different.
> > Same size gear for both?
> > No. Smaller? That's early
> > Bigger gear for oil pump?
> > That's later. Bigger gear.
> > That's the one I'll be using.
> > Your pic tells me nothing.
> > All c series engines have identical distributor drive gears.
> > Don't try to identify anything by 50 year old ridges or grooves.
> > Or do. Your call.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On 8 Feb 2016, at 6:21 PM, Andy Thorp <bce257@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Guys,
> >>
> >> A while ago I read that there is a difference in early and later
> engines in that the cam has 13 vs 12 teeth on the gear that drives the oil
> pump. This supposedly coincided with the change from a lobe type to a gear
> type oil pump.
> >>
> >> I have a mid 57 BN4, a late 57 Austin A105 sedan, an BJ8 engine and a
> Wolseley 6/110 Mk1 cam which are all interchangeable. The only obvious
> difference is that there are different ridges or grooves in the shaft
> between #5 cylinder lobes. The BN4/sedan engines have one ridge, 3000
> engine has two ridges, 6/110 engine has three grooves, yet all of them have
> 12 teeth on the oil pump drive gear. Both the BN4 and sedan engines have a
> lobe type pump whereas the later engines have gear pumps. I have met one
> person who got caught by the different number of teeth on the gear when
> swapping a cam so the change must have been earlier on.
> >>
> >> Can anyone decode the ridges on the cam?
> >>
> >> Andy.
> >> <DSC00888.JPG>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">After many years of racing I became aware of the rings on =
the cams and I made a few notes from time to time. After reviewing my notes=
 I hope I can shed some light.=C2=A0 <br>In the photo that I see, the cams =
are placed from left to right - not top to bottom. Starting with the far le=
ft cam - the one with no rings - I believe to be a very late 3000 cam. This=
 one should have a part # stamped on the end. (I once saw a BJ7 cam with no=
 rings and it had part #12B594 stamped on the end). The next two cams have =
a single ring and I believe these are early 3000 cams. The 4th cam with a 2=
 rings is a 100-6 cam. The 5th cam on the far right is not clear, it appear=
s to have 3 grooves ... if that makes it a 2 ring cam then it is also a 100=
-6 cam.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 3:16 AM, Chris Dimmock <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:austin.healey@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">austin.healey@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">And here&#39;s a=
 picture.<br>
Pic the wrong one out.<br>
<br>
<br><br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
&gt; On 8 Feb 2016, at 10:07 PM, Chris Dimmock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:austin=
.healey@gmail.com">austin.healey@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Andy.<br>
&gt; There are 2 gear drives on a camshaft.<br>
&gt; One for the distributor.<br>
&gt; One for the oil pump.<br>
&gt; The drive for the distributor was always the same number of teeth.<br>
&gt; Always on a C series engine. Same same same.<br>
&gt; Oil pump? That&#39;s different.<br>
&gt; Same size gear for both?<br>
&gt; No. Smaller? That&#39;s early<br>
&gt; Bigger gear for oil pump?<br>
&gt; That&#39;s later. Bigger gear.<br>
&gt; That&#39;s the one I&#39;ll be using.<br>
&gt; Your pic tells me nothing.<br>
&gt; All c series engines have identical distributor drive gears.<br>
&gt; Don&#39;t try to identify anything by 50 year old ridges or grooves.<b=
r>
&gt; Or do. Your call.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Sent from my iPhone<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On 8 Feb 2016, at 6:21 PM, Andy Thorp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bce257=
@yahoo.co.nz">bce257@yahoo.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Hi Guys,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; A while ago I read that there is a difference in early and later e=
ngines in that the cam has 13 vs 12 teeth on the gear that drives the oil p=
ump. This supposedly coincided with the change from a lobe type to a gear t=
ype oil pump.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I have a mid 57 BN4, a late 57 Austin A105 sedan, an BJ8 engine an=
d a Wolseley 6/110 Mk1 cam which are all interchangeable. The only obvious =
difference is that there are different ridges or grooves in the shaft betwe=
en #5 cylinder lobes. The BN4/sedan engines have one ridge, 3000 engine has=
 two ridges, 6/110 engine has three grooves, yet all of them have 12 teeth =
on the oil pump drive gear. Both the BN4 and sedan engines have a lobe type=
 pump whereas the later engines have gear pumps. I have met one person who =
got caught by the different number of teeth on the gear when swapping a cam=
 so the change must have been earlier on.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Can anyone decode the ridges on the cam?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Andy.<br>
&gt;&gt; &lt;DSC00888.JPG&gt;<br>
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