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Without trying to hijack this thread perhaps I can get the ansdwer to a
question I have been wondering about for a long time: Does anyone know
what drove the badge change from "Austin-Healey" on the early cars to
"Austin Healey" on later cars? While I know there is often no rhyme nor
reason for variations in Healey equipment, etc. it appears that once the
change was made it stayed that way and thus it appears to have been an
intentional decision.
I have heard one explanation that the badge supplier mistakenly left out
the hyphen and in order to get a break in price BMC accepted the order and
stuck with the new badge design. This smacks of cynical humor but perhaps
it is true.
Can anyone shed any light here?
Best--Michael Oritt
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:58 PM BJ8Healeys <sbyers@ec.rr.com> wrote:
> One of the details I document for each BJ8 in the registry is the type of
> nose badge it has. As we know, later cars had painted badges and some
> owners have claimed that their badge was always plain chrome -- no color =
at
> all. I started out describing the early badges as "cloisonn=C3=A9". The=
n
> someone pointed out the difference between cloisonn=C3=A9 and champlev=C3=
=A9, so I
> changed all the nomenclature to champlev=C3=A9. Both cloisonn=C3=A9 and =
champlev=C3=A9
> refer to techniques, not the material -- which is vitreous enamel. So,
> that is the description I'm using now.
>
>
>
> The BMC parts manual gives only one part number for the BJ8 nose badge so
> there is no change point from one type of badge to another. Recording th=
is
> detail simply provides some data to help improve our knowledge of change
> points.
>
>
>
> Steve Byers
>
> HBJ8L/36666
>
> BJ8 Registry
>
> AHCA Delegate at Large
>
> Havelock, NC
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *
> simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 18, 2018 11:27 AM
> *To:* 'Bob Spidell'; healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Paint type and color
>
>
>
> Yes, these are the absolute Go To people. Used to call themselves
> PamelaDavid and were pretty much non-digital.
>
> They described my MkII badge as cloisonn=C3=A9 but they may have assumed =
that I
> didn=E2=80=99t know the difference.
>
> They were indeed backlogged but it was worth it. 6+/- weeks.
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Bob
> Spidell
> *Sent:* 17 October 2018 19:21
> *To:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Paint type and color
>
>
>
> While I normally wouldn't contradict Michael--he's a pro and I'm an
> amateur--that isn't correct. What's in our badges--until late BJ8s anywa=
y,
> which were painted--is *Champlev=C3=A9:*
>
>
> https://beautifulantiquetreasures.com/2014/05/02/telling-the-difference-b=
etween-champleve-and-cloisonne-enamel/
>
> This is usually cited as the goto place for badge restoration, but I hear
> they are horribly backlogged:
>
> http://www.badgecraft.co.uk/
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Witho=
ut trying to hijack this thread perhaps I can get the ansdwer to a question=
I have been wondering about for a long time:=C2=A0 Does anyone know what d=
rove the badge change from "Austin-Healey" on the early cars to &=
quot;Austin Healey" on later cars?=C2=A0 While I know there is often n=
o rhyme nor reason for variations in Healey equipment, etc. it appears that=
once the change was made it stayed that way and thus it appears to have be=
en an intentional decision.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"colo=
r:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I=
have heard one=C2=A0 explanation that the badge supplier mistakenly left o=
ut the hyphen and in order to get a break in price BMC accepted the order a=
nd stuck with the new badge design.=C2=A0 This smacks of cynical humor but =
perhaps it is true.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333f=
f"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Can anyon=
e shed any light here?=C2=A0 =C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3=
333ff">Best--Michael Oritt</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:58 PM BJ8Healeys <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:sbyers@ec.rr.com">sbyers@ec.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor=3D"white" lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=
=3D"purple"><div class=3D"m_1166037742723277453WordSection1"><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060=
">One of the details I document for each BJ8 in the registry is the type of=
nose badge it has.=C2=A0 As we know, later cars had painted badges and som=
e owners have claimed that their badge was always plain chrome -- no color =
at all.=C2=A0 I started out describing the early badges as "cloisonn=
=C3=A9".=C2=A0 Then someone pointed out the difference between cloison=
n=C3=A9 and champlev=C3=A9, so I changed all the nomenclature to champlev=
=C3=A9.=C2=A0 Both cloisonn=C3=A9 and champlev=C3=A9 refer to techniques, n=
ot the material -- which is vitreous enamel.=C2=A0 So, that is the descript=
ion I'm using now.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
style=3D"font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quo=
t;Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">The BMC parts manual gives only one pa=
rt number for the BJ8 nose badge so there is no change point from one type =
of badge to another.=C2=A0 Recording this detail simply provides some data =
to help improve our knowledge of change points.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Comic Sans MS";co=
lor:#002060"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">Steve Byer=
s</span><span style=3D"color:#002060"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0020=
60">HBJ8L/36666</span><span style=3D"color:#002060"><u></u><u></u></span></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Comic Sans MS&quo=
t;;color:#002060">BJ8 Registry</span><span style=3D"color:#002060"><u></u><=
u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Co=
mic Sans MS";color:#002060">AHCA Delegate at Large</span><span style=
=3D"color:#002060"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">Havelock, NC=C2=
=A0 </span><span style=3D"color:#002060"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#002060"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p=
></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Comic Sans M=
S";color:#002060"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"bo=
rder:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma=
","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";=
color:windowtext"> Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.=
team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behal=
f Of </b><a href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com"; target=3D"_bl=
ank">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, Octobe=
r 18, 2018 11:27 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Bob Spidell'; <a href=3D"mailto:=
healeys@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>=
Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Paint type and color<u></u><u></u></span></p></d=
iv></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:windowtext">Yes, these are the abso=
lute Go To people. Used to call themselves PamelaDavid and were pretty much=
non-digital.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"=
EN-GB" style=3D"color:windowtext">They described my MkII badge as cloisonn=
=C3=A9 but they may have assumed that I didn=E2=80=99t know the difference.=
<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=
=3D"color:windowtext">They were indeed backlogged but it was worth it. 6+/-=
weeks.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
style=3D"color:windowtext">Simon<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:windowtext"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;pad=
ding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:wind=
owtext">From:</span></b><span style=3D"color:windowtext"> Healeys <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys-boun=
ces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Spidell<br><b>Sent:</b> =
17 October 2018 19:21<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Hea=
leys] Paint type and color<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p><span lan=
g=3D"EN-GB">While I normally wouldn't contradict Michael--he's a pr=
o and I'm an amateur--that isn't correct.=C2=A0 What's in our b=
adges--until late BJ8s anyway, which were painted--is </span><strong><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif&qu=
ot;">Champlev=C3=A9:</span></strong><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"https://beautifulantiquetreasures=
.com/2014/05/02/telling-the-difference-between-champleve-and-cloisonne-enam=
el/" target=3D"_blank">https://beautifulantiquetreasures.com/2014/05/02/tel=
ling-the-difference-between-champleve-and-cloisonne-enamel/</a><u></u><u></=
u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-GB">This is usually cited as the goto plac=
e for badge restoration, but I hear they are horribly backlogged:<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"http://www.badgecraft.co.=
uk/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.badgecraft.co.uk/</a><u></u><u></u></span=
></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Bob<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"E=
N-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"E=
N-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div></div>__________________________=
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