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Curt I'm starting to become concerned about this addictive behavior with
respect to fasteners ... perhaps you should be considering seeking
counseling =F0=9F=A4=A3=F0=9F=A4=A3=F0=9F=A4=A3
On Sat, Nov 24, 2018, 1:45 AM Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt@gmail.com wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> The Charles Falco article is somewhat dated, but overall is factually
> correct if not complete. I've personally spoken with Charles regarding
> this article. He is correct, it is common to find UNC bolts and studs us=
ed
> where BSW threads were originally tapped. I discuss this in my article
> with regard to the generator link adjusting bolt on BN1/2 (possibly
> 100-6's) and Bugeye Sprites.
>
> One of the biggest misconceptions that I've come across (even from Brits
> that I know) is that *the only Whitworth fasteners* are BSW, and BSF,
> BSP, BSPT, BSB, etc... and others are somehow NOT Whitworth. Totally
> untrue! Whitworth is BY DEFINITION is...
>
>
> *Whitworth Screw Thread Form: **A thread form and system of standard
> sizes, proposed by Joseph Whitworth in 1841 and adopted as standard in th=
e
> U.K., having a flank angle of 55=C2=B0 and a rounded top (crest) and foot
> (root). (Named after Sir Joseph Whitworth (1803--87), English engineer). =
*
>
>
> As you can read, Whitworth is a thread form, and NOT a hex bolt/nut size.
> Note that this says NOTHING about hex head/spanner size.
>
> Case in point...The confusion has to do with bolt head sizing with regard
> to certain other British fasteners such as BSC or BSCy - (British Standar=
d
> Cycle) and the older now obsolete CEI - (Cycle Engineers Institute} bolts=
,
> that while they have Whitworth hex heads, are a thread form with a 60=C2=
=B0 thread
> pitch angle, ergo not Whitworth.
>
> Are we confused yet? Wikipedia also does not help the debate since they
> incorrectly list BSC bolts as Whitworth, when technically they are not.
>
> *There will be a quiz *;-^)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Curt
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:01 PM Mirek Sharp <m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Here is another article (actually an old post from another forum) on
>> British fasteners. It is interesting but note that the author was not
>> clear on the pipe threads, not distinguishing BSPP and BSPT, and provide=
s
>> somewhat dubious advice at the end about =E2=80=9Cmaking do=E2=80=9D wit=
h UNC instead of
>> the correct fastener. My advice =E2=80=93 use the correct threading sys=
tem and
>> grade of bolt. Note, that despite my earlier tongue-in-cheek comments, =
the
>> BA thread system is based on metric principles, but with the unavoidable
>> English twist.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Mirek
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *C=
urtis
>> Arndt
>> *Sent:* November-22-18 3:46 AM
>> *To:* Michael Oritt
>> *Cc:* John Vrugtman; Healey List
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] bolt identification
>>
>>
>>
>> John,
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is some more pertinent information that might help...
>>
>>
>>
>> I've attached a copy of my 1957 vintage machinery Handbook which shows
>> the various markings used to denote Whitworth from Unified fasteners.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also an excerpt from one of my yet completed articles.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Curt
>>
>> *Error! Filename not specified.*
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 12:32 AM Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>>
>> John,
>>
>>
>>
>> Like most British bolts of the earlier part of last century, the Vendor
>> name was printed on the bolt, e.g. Rubery-Owen or RO, Bees, Wiley, Woden
>> and about 30+ others. So to answer your question... BEES was the vendor=
.
>> The bolt you refer to with an actual Bee on the head is a very early bol=
t,
>> and is one that I have in my collection. It most likely is a Whitworth
>> bolt, either BSF (fine) or BSW (coarse).
>>
>>
>>
>> The "Rubery Owen B28-35" that you refer to is a "Mild" steel bolt,
>> similar to an SAE Grade "2" US bolt. The strength rating is "B" and the
>> measurement is 28 to 35 tons per square inch or tons tensile. The range
>> refers to "yield" strength and "ultimate tensile" strength as described =
in
>> my attached article. FYI, multiply 28 or 35 times a ton and you'll get =
the
>> strength in pounds, or psi... HOWEVER we're talking British here, so it=
's
>> not 2,000 pounds as in a US ton but 2,240 pounds as in a British Long To=
n!
>>
>>
>>
>> Along with the vendor name was the strength rating expressed as a letter
>> which for *hi tensile* bolts was D, E, F and G prior to 1950 and changed
>> to R, S, T, U, V, W, and X after 1950. I have included (attached) m=
y
>> draft on British Strength rating codes decoded which I hope to officiall=
y
>> publish on my blog site once it's up and running.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, the bolt heads were marked to differentiate Whitworth (BSW, BSF,
>> etc...) from UNF and UNC once this new thread form system was phased in
>> during the early 1950s. For bolts, that was a "circular" depression on =
the
>> head of the bolt which meant the bolt was a "Unified" versus a "Whitwort=
h"
>> thread form bolt.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope this helps and email me directly if you have any further question=
s.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Curt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:01 PM Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi John--
>>
>>
>>
>> Check this out:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2zllShyvv34/UQLGj7XqZjI/AAAAAAAAPUg/e1--MCxAPK=
Y/s1600/Bee:1.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>> Happy Thanksgiving to you and Cindi.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best--Michael Oritt
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:19 PM John Vrugtman <javrugtman@htcnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubery_Owen
>>
>> Bees bolts seem to be very obscure, saw a picture of one, but no
>> reference to the manufacturer
>>
>> On 11/21/2018 6:58 PM, warthodson@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> I was sorting thru a box of hardware & found two bolts that I cannot
>> identify. They both are approx. 1/4" diameter. They both have the same
>> thread per inch. According to my thread gage they are between 24 & 26 TP=
I.
>> So call it 25 TPI. I do not have a metric thread gage to check them agai=
nst.
>>
>>
>>
>> One is marked "Rubery Owen B28-35" on the head & measures about 5/8"
>> long. The other is marked "BEES" & has a embossed emblem of a bee on the
>> head & measures about 3/4" long. The lengths do not include the head, of
>> course. No other markings on the heads.
>>
>> They will not accept a BSF nut, UNF or UNC nut or any metric nuts that I
>> have.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can anyone ID these for me?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gary Hodson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Curt I'm starting to become concerned about this addi=
ctive behavior with respect to fasteners=C2=A0 ... perhaps you should be co=
nsidering seeking counseling =F0=9F=A4=A3=F0=9F=A4=A3=F0=9F=A4=A3</div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Nov 24, 2018, 1:45 AM C=
urtis Arndt <<a href=3D"mailto:cnaarndt@gmail.com";>cnaarndt@gmail.com</a=
> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .=
8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Gentlemen=
,<div><br></div><div>The Charles Falco article is somewhat dated, but overa=
ll is factually correct if not complete.=C2=A0 I've personally spoken w=
ith Charles regarding this article.=C2=A0 He is correct, it is common to fi=
nd UNC bolts and studs used where BSW threads were originally tapped.=C2=A0=
I discuss this in my article with regard to the generator link adjusting b=
olt on BN1/2 (possibly 100-6's) and Bugeye Sprites.</div><div><br></div=
><div>One of the biggest misconceptions that I've come across (even fro=
m Brits that I know) is that <u>the only <b>Whitworth</b> fasteners</u> are=
BSW, and BSF, BSP, BSPT, BSB, etc... and others are somehow NOT Whitworth.=
=C2=A0 Totally untrue!=C2=A0 Whitworth is BY DEFINITION is...</div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-fa=
mily:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;=
font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><i><br></i></span></b></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times=
New Roman",serif"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Aria=
l,sans-serif"><i>Whitworth Screw Thread=C2=A0Form:=C2=A0</i></span></b><i s=
tyle=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>A thread form and sys=
tem of standard sizes, proposed by Joseph Whitworth in
1841 and adopted as standard in the U.K., <u>having a flank angle of 55=C2=
=B0 and a
rounded top (crest) and foot (root)</u>.</b></span><b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">=C2=A0</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">(Named after Sir Jo=
seph Whitworth (1803--87), English
engineer).</span>=C2=A0</b></i></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0=
in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",seri=
f"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0</span></p></div><div>As you can read, Whitworth is a thread f=
orm, and NOT a hex bolt/nut size.=C2=A0 Note that this says NOTHING about h=
ex head/spanner size.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Case in point...The co=
nfusion has to do with bolt head sizing with regard to certain other Britis=
h fasteners such as BSC or BSCy - (British Standard Cycle) and the older no=
w obsolete CEI - (Cycle Engineers Institute} bolts, that while they have Wh=
itworth hex heads, are a thread form with a 60<span style=3D"font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt">=C2=B0</span>=C2=A0thread pitch angle, erg=
o not Whitworth.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Are we confused yet?=
=C2=A0 Wikipedia also does not help the debate since they incorrectly list =
BSC bolts as Whitworth, when technically they are not.</div><div><br></div>=
<div><b>There will be a quiz </b>;-^)</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div=
><div><br></div><div>Curt</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div=
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:01 PM Mir=
ek Sharp <<a href=3D"mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca"; target=3D"_blank" re=
l=3D"noreferrer">m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote=
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-CA" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div=
class=3D"m_-3706481618642137935m_5269663606649340336m_-7531136270762367447=
WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Here is another article (=
actually an old post from another forum) on British fasteners.=C2=A0 It is =
interesting but note that the author was not clear on the pipe threads, not=
distinguishing BSPP and BSPT, and provides somewhat dubious advice at the =
end about =E2=80=9Cmaking do=E2=80=9D with UNC instead of the correct faste=
ner.=C2=A0 My advice =E2=80=93 use the correct threading system and grade o=
f bolt.=C2=A0 Note, that despite my earlier tongue-in-cheek comments, the B=
A thread system is based on metric principles, but with the unavoidable Eng=
lish twist.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Cheers, Mir=
ek<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""=
>From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mai=
lto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">he=
aleys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Curtis Arndt<br><b>Se=
nt:</b> November-22-18 3:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> Michael Oritt<br><b>Cc:</b> Jo=
hn Vrugtman; Healey List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] bolt identificati=
on<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">John,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here is some m=
ore pertinent information that might help...<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al">I've attached a copy of my 1957 vintage machinery Handbook which sh=
ows the various markings used to denote Whitworth from Unified fasteners.<u=
></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Also an excerpt from one of my yet complet=
ed articles.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">Curt<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><=
span lang=3D"EN-US">Error! Filename not specified.</span></b>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 12:32 AM C=
urtis Arndt <<a href=3D"mailto:cnaarndt@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">cnaarndt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><b=
lockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">John,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Like most British bolts of the earlier=
part of last century, the Vendor name was printed on the bolt, e.g. Rubery=
-Owen or RO, Bees, Wiley, Woden and about 30+ others.=C2=A0 So to answer yo=
ur question... BEES was the vendor.=C2=A0 The bolt you refer to with an act=
ual Bee on the head is a very early bolt, and is one that I have in my coll=
ection.=C2=A0 It most likely is a Whitworth bolt, either BSF (fine) or BSW =
(coarse).<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The=C2=A0<span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">=C2=A0"Rube=
ry Owen B28-35"</span>=C2=A0that you refer to is a "Mild" st=
eel bolt, similar to an SAE Grade "2" US bolt.=C2=A0 The strength=
rating is "B" and the measurement is 28 to 35 tons per square in=
ch or tons tensile.=C2=A0 The range refers to "yield" strength an=
d "ultimate tensile" strength as described in my attached article=
.=C2=A0 FYI, multiply 28 or 35 times a ton and you'll get the strength =
in pounds, or psi... HOWEVER=C2=A0 we're talking British here, so it=
9;s not 2,000 pounds as in a US ton but 2,240 pounds as in a British Long T=
on!<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Along with the vendor name was the st=
rength rating expressed as a letter which for <u>hi tensile</u> bolts was D=
, E, F and G prior to 1950 and changed to R, S, T,=C2=A0 U,=C2=A0 V,=C2=A0 =
W,=C2=A0 and X after 1950.=C2=A0 I have included (attached) my draft on Bri=
tish Strength rating codes decoded which I hope to officially publish on my=
blog site once it's up and running.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
Also, the bolt heads were marked to differentiate Whitworth (BSW, BSF, etc.=
..) from UNF and UNC once this new thread form system was phased in during =
the early 1950s.=C2=A0 For bolts, that was a "circular" depressio=
n on the head of the bolt which meant the bolt was a "Unified" ve=
rsus a "Whitworth" thread form bolt.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">I hope this helps and email me directly if you have any further quest=
ions.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></=
u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal">Curt<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></d=
iv></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:01 PM Michael Oritt <<a href=3D=
"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">micha=
el.oritt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=
=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;m=
argin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"color:#3333ff">Hi John--<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#3333ff"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#3333ff">Chec=
k this out:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
style=3D"color:#3333ff"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#3333ff"><a href=3D"http://3.bp.blogspo=
t.com/-2zllShyvv34/UQLGj7XqZjI/AAAAAAAAPUg/e1--MCxAPKY/s1600/Bee:1.jpg" tar=
get=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2zllShyvv34/UQL=
Gj7XqZjI/AAAAAAAAPUg/e1--MCxAPKY/s1600/Bee:1.jpg</a></span><u></u><u></u></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#3333ff">Happy Thanksgiving to you =
and Cindi.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#3=
333ff">Best--Michael Oritt</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">O=
n Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:19 PM John Vrugtman <<a href=3D"mailto:javrugt=
man@htcnet.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">javrugtman@htcnet.org<=
/a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;bord=
er-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;mar=
gin-right:0cm"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><=
a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubery_Owen"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubery_Owen</a><br><br>Bees b=
olts seem to be very obscure, saw a picture of one, but no reference to the=
manufacturer=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 11/21/=
2018 6:58 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:warthodson@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">warthodson@aol.com</a> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><block=
quote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";color:black">I was sorting thru a box of hardware & fou=
nd two bolts that I cannot identify. They both are approx. 1/4" diamet=
er. They both have the same thread per inch. According to my thread gage th=
ey are between 24 & 26 TPI. So call it 25 TPI. I do not have a metric t=
hread gage to check them against.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial&qu=
ot;,"sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Arial","sans-serif";color:black">One is marked "Ru=
bery Owen B28-35" on the head & measures about 5/8" long. The=
other is marked "BEES" & has a embossed emblem of a bee on t=
he head & measures about 3/4" long. The lengths do not include the=
head, of course. No other markings on the heads.<u></u><u></u></span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">They will not accep=
t a BSF nut, UNF or UNC nut or any metric nuts that I have.=C2=A0<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";c=
olor:black">Can anyone ID these for me?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Thanks,<u></u><u=
></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Ga=
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