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Re: [Healeys] FW: Radiator flush

To: Robert Begani <rfbegani@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] FW: Radiator flush
From: Michael Salter <michael.salter@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 13:34:49 -0400
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Much and all as that sounds like a good theory I am having difficulty with
the logic.
A starter won't work if an engine isn't adequately grounded and a ground of
sufficient size to operate a starter will definitely be big enough to
eliminate any EMF difference between the engine and the chassis.
I've had an aluminum radiator corrode to worthlessness after only 3 years,
with corrosion inhibitors in the coolant, and have yet to hear a realistic
explanation for why it happened.

M

On Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 11:56 AM Robert Begani, <rfbegani@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Back to the matter of using Distilled Water.  I discussed this comment
> with my German/American friend who was installing a aluminum radiator in
> his Lagonda Drop Head Coup.  He has owned various European Vehicles with
> aluminum radiators, and classic cars with aluminum radiators.  He cannot
> understand the need for distilled water if you are using antifreeze which
> includes anti-corrosion additives or using such additive separately.
> Furthermore, the biggest problem with alloy radiators is the matter of a
> good grounded engine.  His experience the failure of the alloy radiator is
> a poorly grounded engine which causes the electric current to run to ground
> via the water in coolant system  hence destroy the aluminum being
> dissimilar metal.   So check the soundness of the ground.
>
>
>
> Bob Begani
>
> BJ8 67
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Michael
> Salter
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 3, 2019 5:51 PM
> *To:* David Nock BCS <healeydoc@sbcglobal.net>
> *Cc:* Ahealey help <healeys@autox.team.net>; i erbs <eyera3000@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Radiator flush
>
>
>
> " If you are installing a alloy radiator be sure and use Distilled water"
>
> Those are definitely the words of someone who "has suffered the
> consequences" ...
>
>
>
> M
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 5:47 PM David Nock BCS <healeydoc@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> If you are installing a alloy radiator be sure and use Distilled water.
>
>
>
> The water flows thru the radiator top to bottom. It flows thru the heater
> from the lower hose thru the heater returning to the head.
>
>
>
> Water will not flow backwards thru the heater valve.
>
>
>
>
>
> David Nock
> British Car Specialists
> 209-948-8767
> www.britishcarspecialists.com
>
>
>
> *From:* i erbs <eyera3000@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 03, 2019 11:10 AM
>
> *To:* Ahealey help <healeys@autox.team.net>
>
> *Subject:* [Healeys] Radiator flush
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> Preparing to install my alum radiator. Thought I would flush the cooling
> system.
>
> Which diretion direction does water flow? From block though
> Shut off vavle into heater core, or through pipe and back into block
> through the shut off valve?
>
> Is my valve in open ir closed position? Heater controls not reinstalled
> yet. Unit get hot so Ill asume open, but want to confirm. Removed
> thermostat to help water flush ststem easier. Im going to add extra hose
> and splice in a water hose bib. That way I can remove it and put system
> back in place.
>
> Im off this week, but the rain gods are laughing at me. So I'm just
> getting everything ready for the sweet spot of having time and sunshine so
> I can back the car out of the garage and flush the system. I plan to drain
> the anti freeze and fill with flush chemicals and water when I'm ready to
> flush. Bought new anti freeze for my new radiator.
>
> Driving season is fast approaching.
>
> Happy roads and saftey fast
>
> Ira Erbs
> Portland, OR
> typos and artifacts are the fault of my phone
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<div dir=3D"auto">Much and all as that sounds like a good theory I am havin=
g difficulty with the logic.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto">A starter won&#39;t wor=
k if an engine isn&#39;t adequately grounded and a ground of sufficient siz=
e to operate a starter will definitely be big enough to eliminate any EMF d=
ifference between the engine and the chassis.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">=
I&#39;ve had an aluminum radiator corrode to worthlessness after only 3 yea=
rs, with corrosion inhibitors in the coolant, and have yet to hear a realis=
tic explanation for why it happened.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 11:56 AM Robert Begani, &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:rfbegani@gmail.com";>rfbegani@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlin=
k=3D"purple"><div class=3D"m_3815811086204272847WordSection1"><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Back =
to the matter of using Distilled Water.=C2=A0 I discussed this comment with=
 my German/American friend who was installing a aluminum radiator in his La=
gonda Drop Head Coup.=C2=A0 He has owned various European Vehicles with alu=
minum radiators, and classic cars with aluminum radiators.=C2=A0 He cannot =
understand the need for distilled water if you are using antifreeze which i=
ncludes anti-corrosion additives or using such additive separately.=C2=A0 F=
urthermore, the biggest problem with alloy radiators is the matter of a goo=
d grounded engine.=C2=A0 His experience the failure of the alloy radiator i=
s a poorly grounded engine which causes the electric current to run to grou=
nd via the water in coolant system =C2=A0hence destroy the aluminum being d=
issimilar metal.=C2=A0 =C2=A0So check the soundness of the ground.<u></u><u=
></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Bob Begani<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">BJ8 67<u></u><u></u></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&=
quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox=
.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys-bounces@autox.team.=
net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Salter<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, A=
pril 3, 2019 5:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> David Nock BCS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hea=
leydoc@sbcglobal.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeydoc@sbcglo=
bal.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Ahealey help &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@au=
tox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</=
a>&gt;; i erbs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyera3000@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer">eyera3000@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Hea=
leys] Radiator flush<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">&quot; If you are installing a alloy=
 radiator be sure and use Distilled water&quot;<u></u><u></u></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Those are definitely the words of someone who &q=
uot;has suffered the consequences&quot; ...<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans=
 MS&quot;">M<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 a=
t 5:47 PM David Nock BCS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@sbcglobal.net"; tar=
get=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeydoc@sbcglobal.net</a>&gt; wrote:<u>=
</u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cc=
cccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;mar=
gin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;co=
lor:black">If you are installing a alloy radiator be sure and use Distilled=
 water. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;color:black">=
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;color:black">Th=
e water flows thru the radiator top to bottom. It flows thru the heater fro=
m the lower hose thru the heater returning to the head. <u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;color:black">Water will not flow backwards=
 thru the heater valve.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,seri=
f;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;=
color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;co=
lor:black">David Nock<br>British Car Specialists<br>209-948-8767<br><a href=
=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferr=
er">www.britishcarspecialists.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><=
/div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><b><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> <a href=3D"mailto:eyera3000@gmail.co=
m" title=3D"eyera3000@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">i erb=
s</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"b=
ackground:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> Wednesday=
, April 03, 2019 11:10 AM<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal" style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">To:</span></b><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:=
black"> <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; title=3D"healeys@autox.te=
am.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Ahealey help</a> <u></u><u></u=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:whitesmok=
e"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-s=
erif;color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> [Healeys] Radiator flush<=
u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></di=
v></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;co=
lor:black">Hello all, <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Preparing to install my alum r=
adiator. Thought I would flush the cooling system.<u></u><u></u></span></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:bla=
ck">Which diretion direction does water flow? From block though <br>Shut of=
f vavle into heater core, or through pipe and back into block through the s=
hut off valve?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Is my valve in open ir closed po=
sition? Heater controls not reinstalled yet. Unit get hot so Ill asume open=
, but want to confirm. Removed thermostat to help water flush ststem easier=
. Im going to add extra hose and splice in a water hose bib. That way I can=
 remove it and put system back in place.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Im off=
 this week, but the rain gods are laughing at me. So I&#39;m just getting e=
verything ready for the sweet spot of having time and sunshine so I can bac=
k the car out of the garage and flush the system. I plan to drain the anti =
freeze and fill with flush chemicals and water when I&#39;m ready to flush.=
 Bought new anti freeze for my new radiator.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Dr=
iving season is fast approaching.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Happy roads a=
nd saftey fast<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Ira Erbs<br>Portland, OR<br>typos and =
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