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Re: [Healeys] clutch hydraulics question

To: "George Couch" <george@kclsystems.com>, "Ed O'Neal" <Ed@wadsworthoneal.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] clutch hydraulics question
From: "David Nock" <healeydoc@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 09:07:50 -0700
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Your clutch hydraulic hose has colapsed on the inside and the fluid is =
slow to return to the master after releasing the clutch pedal. As long =
as there is no slippage after you get moving you should not have a =
problem driving the car to the shop

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From: George Couch=20
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 7:36 AM
To: Ed O'Neal=20
Cc: Ahealey help ; i erbs=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] clutch hydraulics question

Hi
First time on this forum and haven't got the foggiest idea what I'm =
doing.

I've taken out my Healey for the first time in two years. My problem is =
the clutch is not functioning properly. I can let it out fully and, with =
pause, the car will move forward or backward. seems the gas pedal is =
taking over the clutch's function. Can I drive it to a garage or should =
I have it towed ?

George


George Couch=20
KCL System Components, Ltd.
Toronto, ON
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 at 08:03, Ed O'Neal <Ed@wadsworthoneal.com> wrote:

  There is no suction from the hydraulic system. The pressure plate =
springs push the rod back in AS the clutch peddle is returned. Actually =
if you push in the peddle with the rod disconnected then release the =
peddle additional fluid will be drawn in from the reservoir and another =
push on the peddle and the rod will pop all the way out. =20

  Actually there is a small spring inside the slave cylinder positioned =
to lightly push the rod outward for which there is no apparent reason. I =
discovered this when I tagged out the carbon throw out bearing in berry =
little miles. Apparently my clutch linkage had very little resistance =
and this spring was maintaining contact of the bearing. Since there was =
no reason for the spring, I took it out. Everything has worked fine for =
more than 25K miles




  Sent from my iPhone

  On Aug 24, 2018, at 10:23 PM, i erbs <eyera3000@gmail.com> wrote:


    I think the throw out bearing pushes back on fulcrum arm and that =
pushes piston forward. I need to lengthen the fulcrum point on my smitty =
5 speed system so the clutch engages higher up. Some day I will.


    Ira Erbs
    Portland, OR
    typos and artifacts are the fault of my phone

    On Fri, Aug 24, 2018, 5:15 PM Bob Haskell <rchaskell@earthlink.net> =
wrote:

      Listers,

      If the clutch lever arm is disconnected from the slave cylinder =
push rod=20
      and the clutch pedal is pressed to the floor, the push rod is =
pushed to=20
      towards the rear of the car.  When the clutch pedal is released =
should=20
      the suction created in the hydraulic system pull the slave =
cylinder=20
      piston back in?  Or does the system rely on just the pressure =
plate=20
      springs to move the release bearing/lever arm/rod/piston back?

      Cheers,

      Bob Haskell
      AHCA 3000 MkI registrar
      http://www.ciahc.org/registry_3000mk1.php
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<DIV>Your clutch hydraulic hose has colapsed on the inside and the fluid =
is slow=20
to return to the master after releasing the clutch pedal. As long as =
there is no=20
slippage after you get moving you should not have a problem driving the =
car to=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century'; COLOR: =
#000000">David=20
Nock<BR>healeydoc@sbcglobal.net<BR>209 948=20
8767<BR>www.britishcarspecialists.com<BR><BR>Help us have our Founder =
Norman=20
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 26, 2019 7:36 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3DEd@wadsworthoneal.com=20
href=3D"mailto:Ed@wadsworthoneal.com";>Ed O'Neal</A> </DIV>
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title=3Deyera3000@gmail.com href=3D"mailto:eyera3000@gmail.com";>i =
erbs</A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"FONT-SIZE: large">Hi</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"FONT-SIZE: large">First time on this =
forum and=20
haven't got the foggiest idea what I'm doing.</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"FONT-SIZE: large">&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"FONT-SIZE: large">I've taken out my =
Healey for=20
the first time in two years. My problem is the clutch is not functioning =

properly. I can let it out fully and, with pause, the car will move =
forward or=20
backward. seems the gas pedal is taking over the clutch's function. Can =
I drive=20
it to a garage or should I have it towed ?</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"FONT-SIZE: large">&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"FONT-SIZE: large">George</DIV>
<DIV>
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<DIV><B style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255)"><BR></B></DIV><B=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255)">George Couch</B>=20
<DIV><FONT color=3D#999999>KCL System Components, Ltd.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#999999>Toronto, ON</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#999999>416-496-0540</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#999999>FAX: 416-499-8422</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><B><A href=3D"http://www.kclsystems.com"; target=3D_blank><FONT=20
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<DIV><B><FONT color=3D#999999 size=3D6=20
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<DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 at 08:03, Ed =
O'Neal &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:Ed@wadsworthoneal.com";>Ed@wadsworthoneal.com</A>&gt;=20
wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: =
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  <DIV>There is no suction from the hydraulic system. The pressure plate =
springs=20
  push the rod back in AS the clutch peddle is returned. Actually if you =
push in=20
  the peddle with the rod disconnected then release the peddle =
additional fluid=20
  will be drawn in from the reservoir and another push on the peddle and =
the rod=20
  will pop all the way out.&nbsp;=20
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Actually there is a small spring inside the slave cylinder =
positioned to=20
  lightly push the rod outward for which there is no apparent reason. I=20
  discovered this when I tagged out the carbon throw out bearing in =
berry little=20
  miles. Apparently my clutch linkage had very little resistance and =
this spring=20
  was maintaining contact of the bearing. Since there was no reason for =
the=20
  spring, I took it out. Everything has worked fine for more than 25K=20
miles</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dgmail-m_-4093228205256230460AppleMailSignature>Sent from my=20
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  <DIV><BR>On Aug 24, 2018, at 10:23 PM, i erbs &lt;<A=20
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target=3D_blank>eyera3000@gmail.com</A>&gt;=20
  wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
    <DIV>
    <DIV>I think the throw out bearing pushes back on fulcrum arm and =
that=20
    pushes piston forward. I need to lengthen the fulcrum point on my =
smitty 5=20
    speed system so the clutch engages higher up. Some day I =
will.<BR><BR>
    <DIV>Ira Erbs<BR>Portland, OR<BR>typos and artifacts are the fault =
of my=20
    phone</DIV></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr>On Fri, Aug 24, 2018, 5:15 PM Bob Haskell &lt;<A=20
    href=3D"mailto:rchaskell@earthlink.net"=20
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    style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: =
rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Listers,<BR><BR>If=20
      the clutch lever arm is disconnected from the slave cylinder push =
rod=20
      <BR>and the clutch pedal is pressed to the floor, the push rod is =
pushed=20
      to <BR>towards the rear of the car.&nbsp; When the clutch pedal is =

      released should <BR>the suction created in the hydraulic system =
pull the=20
      slave cylinder <BR>piston back in?&nbsp; Or does the system rely =
on just=20
      the pressure plate <BR>springs to move the release bearing/lever=20
      arm/rod/piston back?<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR><BR>Bob Haskell<BR>AHCA =
3000 MkI=20
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