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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Brake Problem (addendum)
From: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 03:46:15 +0000
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Albuquerque. Had a set one several years ago at Lewis Brake and Clutch. I e=
nt there yesterday to find it closed, boarded up windows broken and graffit=
ied. I checked with several local sources and found no-one doing that work =
in this town anymore.

Bill Lawrence
BN1 #554
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From: i erbs <eyera3000@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 5:00 AM
To: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <YNOTINK@msn.com>
Cc: healeys@autox.team.net <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Brake Problem (addendum)

Bill,
Where do you live? Hard to believe there isn't a brake shop or parts store =
that could arc the shoes for you? Or a friction shop. Where do you live?
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
      _______                                  _______
     (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
         (_________________________)
          BT7 engine and disk brakes


1967 MGB  [MG]

A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words


NOTINK@msn.com>> wrote:
To Michael Oritt and others who were interested in this topic I have a late=
 contribution:

On the late test drive of my 100 after having it laid up for some time and =
installing new brake shoes (I can't remember the source, but probably Moss)=
 I encountered the same problem.

On removing the brake drums, which took some extra effort, I found that the=
 shoes didn't have the proper arc to fit the drums. they were touching the =
drums on the leading and trailing ends, but not in the center. The excess t=
hickness at those points made installation difficult and caused the shoes t=
o drag on the drums.

After searching out all of the old school brake shops in town I found that =
nobody has the equipment or expertise to reline or arc brake shoes anymore.=
 A possible argument for converting to discs in the future

I therefore resorted to the method recommended by my old strengths of mater=
ials instructor, the BF&I (Brute Force and Ignorance) method. I place each =
shoe in a vice and, noting the contact pattern on the surface and mindful t=
hat I was probably abrading an asbestos material I wetted the surface down =
with simple green and applied a flat bastard (note to moderator; this is an=
 acceptable technical term related to types of files, and besides it is fun=
 to type...) to the shoes and removed a few thousandths of an inch of mater=
ial where they had been dragging.

I got the first set right in one try and had to do a test assembly and rewo=
rk on the other, but both sets are now sitting on the lowest points of thei=
r snail cams and the drums slip on and off with no interference. The whole =
job took less than half an hour including disassembly and re-familiarizatio=
n with the assembly process.

Bill Lawrence
BN1 #554
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Albuquerque. Had a set one several years ago at Lewis Brake and Clutch. I e=
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Bill Lawrence</div>
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BN1 #554</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 8, 2019 5:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WILLIAM B LAWRENCE &lt;YNOTINK@msn.com&gt;<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Bill,
<div>Where do you live? Hard to believe there isn't a brake shop or parts s=
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To Michael Oritt and others who were interested in this topic I have a late=
 contribution:</div>
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On the late test drive of my 100 after having it laid up for some time and =
installing new brake shoes (I can't remember the source, but probably Moss)=
 I encountered the same problem.&nbsp;</div>
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
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On removing the brake drums, which took some extra effort, I found that the=
 shoes didn't have the proper arc to fit the drums. they were touching the =
drums on the leading and trailing ends, but not in the center. The excess t=
hickness at those points made installation
 difficult and caused the shoes to drag on the drums.&nbsp;</div>
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
After searching out all of the old school brake shops in town I found that =
nobody has the equipment or expertise to reline or arc brake shoes&nbsp;any=
more. A possible argument for converting to discs in the future</div>
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
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I therefore resorted to the method recommended by my old strengths of mater=
ials instructor, the BF&amp;I (Brute Force and Ignorance) method. I place e=
ach shoe in a vice and, noting the contact pattern on the surface and mindf=
ul that I was probably abrading an asbestos
 material I wetted the surface down with simple green and applied a flat ba=
stard (note to moderator; this is an acceptable technical term related to t=
ypes of files, and besides it is fun to type...) to the shoes and removed a=
 few thousandths of an inch of material
 where they had been dragging.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
I got the first set right in one try and had to do a test assembly and rewo=
rk on the other, but both sets are now sitting on the lowest points of thei=
r snail cams and the drums slip on and off with no interference. The whole =
job took less than half an hour
 including disassembly and re-familiarization with the assembly process.</d=
iv>
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Bill Lawrence</div>
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