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Mike, I am still a little sceptical that something is still not quite =
right. No matter whether it was a Triumph, MG, Healey, Jag, Morgan or =
anything else I have had the joy to work on, I have, after cleaning the =
splines and threads (hub and knock-off), and coating with an anti-seize =
compound, always been able to tighten the knock-offs by hand or with a =
few light taps with a hammer to be able to eliminate all play between =
the wheel and the hub. When I am convinced it is all seated properly, =
then I will give a few substantial whacks with a copper or hide-faced =
hammer to tighten it up. Driving will tighten them the rest of the way. =
You should not need to wail on the knock-off to eliminate the play. =
Given how critical a safety issue this is, I would be inclined to =
disassemble it and fully investigate the fit of everything. Perhaps it =
is just tight threads =E2=80=93 try removing the wheel and threading the =
knock-off on =E2=80=93 it should go all the way on by hand. If it =
doesn=E2=80=99t, there is your issue. That should be rectified because =
if the threads are not a good match, the tight threads may prevent the =
knock-off from self-tightening.
=20
More work I know, but we all seem to have time on our hands.
=20
Good luck, Mirek
=20
From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of =
Michael MacLean
Sent: May-10-20 1:46 PM
To: michaelsalter@gmail.com; Perry
Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] The Saturday Night Rant - Part III Knock offs
=20
OK, I got the message. First of all because I converted from drum to =
3000 disc brakes the hub extensions are different between front and =
back. I doubt this makes a difference in mounting the wire wheel. Late =
last night I went out to the garage and got out the big lead hammer I =
bought recently to get the knockoffs loose on my MGB GT. I beat the =
Healey knockoffs a lot harder this time. The wire wheel hub tightened =
up and showed no movement. Apparently using a plastic dead blow hammer =
was not enough.
Mike MacLean
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On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:09 AM, Michael Salter
<michaelsalter@gmail.com> wrote:
Correct Perry but at one time there was a combination of hubs, splines =
and nuts which really didn't work so, when the nut was fully tightened =
and bottomed out on the thread the wheel wasn't clamped between the =
inner taper and the taper inside the nut .... a tad frustrating....
=20
M
=20
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 12:01 PM Perry via Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
Michael et al,
Contemplate the mechanical connections between the hub extension, wire =
wheel hub and the knockoff.=20
The hub extension is bolted to the axle using tapered nuts that seat in =
the face of the extension. No rotational movement.
The wire wheel is connected to the hub extension via the splines. The =
tolerances in the splines may allow for some rotational movement but =
they have to be loose enough to get the wheel off the extension.=20
What else holds the wheel in place=E2=80=A6the knockoff. The cone in the =
knock off forces the wire wheel hub against the hub extension, The =
contact interface is the tapers on the hub extension and the wire wheel =
hub. You know the little area that we are frequently reminded to apply a =
smear of grease to stop the little squeaky noise at low speed. If the =
knock off is tight enough there is not movement here either.
So Mike, if you see movement between the knock off and the wire wheel, =
the knock off is not tight enough. =20
Suspect that the folks that developed knock offs understood the problem =
of owners/mechanics not getting them tight enough and used the handed =
(left and right) threads that self tighten.=20
Gentlemen, remember your Mother today!
Perry
=20
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Windows 10
=20
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:57 AM
Subject: [Healeys] The Saturday Night Rant - Part III
=20
At my age (approaching this side of 70) I am on lock down at my house. =
I even have my groceries delivered. I will only go out to eat at a =
drive through with an N95 mask on. My Boston Terrier that goes with me =
does not wear one. He refuses, but he is only three years old. So, =
being sequestered to my domicile I have taken up the restoration of my =
BN2 with a vengeance. I did not know I knew so many off color phrases. =
Everything to be done on this car is difficult due to parts =
incompatibility, parts fit, parts unavailability or just my general =
ignorance and/or incompetence. This evening I finished mounting the =
right side front hub with all new parts. I thought I had done a nice =
job. No lateral play in the hub. Turns easily without binding. The =
correct amount of shims after much trial and error. Disc brake =
conversion was mounted and braided stainless steel flex brake lines =
hooked up at both ends. I have yet to run the brake lines. Maybe next. =
This rant is about the brand new Dayton wire wheels. I mounted the =
wire wheels which have temporary used tires on them so I can move the =
car when it is down off the dollies. After mounting the wheel I gave =
the two eared knockoff several pretty good whacks. Now the moment of =
truth. I grabbed the wheel at 9 and 3 o'clock position and pulled =
straight back and forth. Yay! No play, but when I rocked the wheel it =
moved slightly. I thought it was the hub, but looking closely you can =
see the wire wheel hub rocking back and forth in the knockoff! What!?! =
How hard are you supposed to hit those knockoffs?
Mike MacLean
=20
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Mike, I am =
still a little sceptical that something is still not quite right.=C2=A0 =
No matter whether it was a Triumph, MG, Healey, Jag, Morgan or anything =
else I have had the joy to work on, I have, after cleaning the splines =
and threads (hub and knock-off), and coating with an anti-seize =
compound, =C2=A0always been able to tighten the knock-offs <u>by hand or =
with a few light taps</u> with a hammer to be able to eliminate all play =
between the wheel and the hub.=C2=A0 When I am convinced it is all =
seated properly, then I will give a few substantial whacks with a copper =
or hide-faced hammer to tighten it up.=C2=A0 Driving will tighten them =
the rest of the way.=C2=A0 You should not need to wail on the knock-off =
to eliminate the play.=C2=A0 Given how critical a safety issue this is, =
I would be inclined to disassemble it and fully investigate the fit of =
everything.=C2=A0 Perhaps it is just tight threads =E2=80=93 try =
removing the wheel and threading the knock-off on =E2=80=93 it should go =
all the way on by hand.=C2=A0 If it doesn=E2=80=99t, there is your =
issue.=C2=A0 That should be rectified because if=C2=A0 the threads are =
not a good match, the tight threads may prevent the knock-off from =
self-tightening.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>More work =
I know, but we all seem to have time on our =
hands.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Good luck, =
Mirek<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Healeys =
[mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael =
MacLean<br><b>Sent:</b> May-10-20 1:46 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
michaelsalter@gmail.com; Perry<br><b>Cc:</b> =
healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] The Saturday =
Night Rant - Part III Knock offs<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>OK, I got =
the message. First of all because I converted from drum to 3000 =
disc brakes the hub extensions are different between front and =
back. I doubt this makes a difference in mounting the wire =
wheel. Late last night I went out to the garage and got out the =
big lead hammer I bought recently to get the knockoffs loose on my MGB =
GT. I beat the Healey knockoffs a lot harder this time. The =
wire wheel hub tightened up and showed no movement. Apparently =
using a plastic dead blow hammer was not enough.<o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3D"yMail_cursorElementTracker_1589132685506"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Mike MacLean<o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3D"ymail_android_signature"><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=3DInProduct&c=3DGlobal_In=
ternal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=3Dym&af_sub1=3D=
Internal&af_sub2=3DGlobal_YGrowth&af_sub3=3DEmailSignature">Sent =
from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-left:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:15.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#6D00F6'>On Sun, May 10, =
2020 at 9:09 AM, Michael Salter<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#6D00F6'><michaelsalte=
r@gmail.com> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #6D00F6 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
15.0pt;margin-top:7.5pt'><div id=3Dyiv9689408368><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Correct =
Perry but at one time there was a combination of hubs, splines and nuts =
which really didn't work so, when the nut was fully tightened and =
bottomed out on the thread the wheel wasn't clamped between the inner =
taper and the taper inside the nut .... a tad =
frustrating....<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sun, May 10, 2020 at 12:01 PM Perry via Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv9689408368msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Michael et =
al,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Dyiv9689408368msonormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Contemplate the mechanical connections between the hub =
extension, wire wheel hub and the knockoff. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dyiv9689408368msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US>The hub extension is =
bolted to the axle using tapered nuts that seat in the face of the =
extension. No rotational movement.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dyiv9689408368msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US>The wire wheel is =
connected to the hub extension via the splines. The tolerances in the =
splines may allow for some rotational movement but they have to be loose =
enough to get the wheel off the extension. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dyiv9689408368msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US>What else holds the =
wheel in place=E2=80=A6the knockoff. The cone in the knock off forces =
the wire wheel hub against the hub extension, The contact interface is =
the tapers on the hub extension and the wire wheel hub. You know the =
little area that we are frequently reminded to apply a smear of grease =
to stop the little squeaky noise at low speed. If the knock off is tight =
enough there is not movement here either.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dyiv9689408368msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US>So Mike, if you see =
movement between the knock off and the wire wheel, the knock off is not =
tight enough. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dyiv9689408368msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Suspect that the folks =
that developed knock offs understood the problem of owners/mechanics not =
getting them tight enough and used the handed (left and right) threads =
that self tighten. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dyiv9689408368msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Gentlemen, remember =
your Mother today!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dyiv9689408368msonormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Perry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dyiv9689408368msonormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dyiv9689408368msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Sent from <a =
href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986"; =
target=3D"_blank">Mail</a> for Windows 10<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dyiv9689408368msonormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor'><p =
class=3Dyiv9689408368msonormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US>From: =
</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US><a href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">Michael MacLean</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, May 10, =
2020 12:57 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">Healeys</a><br><b>Subject: </b>[Healeys] The Saturday =
Night Rant - Part III<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3Dyiv9689408368msonormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv9689408368msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"New serif","serif"'>At my age (approaching this =
side of 70) I am on lock down at my house. I even have my =
groceries delivered. I will only go out to eat at a drive through =
with an N95 mask on. My Boston Terrier that goes with me does not =
wear one. He refuses, but he is only three years old. So, =
being sequestered to my domicile I have taken up the restoration of my =
BN2 with a vengeance. I did not know I knew so many off color =
phrases. Everything to be done on this car is difficult due to =
parts incompatibility, parts fit, parts unavailability or just my =
general ignorance and/or incompetence. This evening I finished =
mounting the right side front hub with all new parts. I thought I =
had done a nice job. No lateral play in the hub. Turns =
easily without binding. The correct amount of shims after much =
trial and error. Disc brake conversion was mounted and braided =
stainless steel flex brake lines hooked up at both ends. I have =
yet to run the brake lines. Maybe next. This rant is =
about the brand new Dayton wire wheels. I mounted the wire wheels =
which have temporary used tires on them so I can move the car when it is =
down off the dollies. After mounting the wheel I gave the two =
eared knockoff several pretty good whacks. Now the moment of =
truth. I grabbed the wheel at 9 and 3 o'clock position and pulled =
straight back and forth. Yay! No play, but when I rocked the wheel =
it moved slightly. I thought it was the hub, but looking closely =
you can see the wire wheel hub rocking back and forth in the =
knockoff! What!?! How hard are you supposed to hit those =
knockoffs?</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dyiv9689408368msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"New serif","serif"'>Mike MacLean</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dyiv9689408368msonormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
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