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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive non return valve Question
From: gradea1@charter.net
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 17:25:52 +0000 cVeaoXQFffCYVroXJIBh6PFkJK2XpHoNET972GZroRfYnv2oY3Smw8dYgIDktT3/r7BZGdj7KkSouA==
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OD Pressure should be much higher-could be 600 PSI. As I previously=0Ast=
ated, be sure that the ball in the operating valve is the correct=0Asize=
- 1/4" OD in pump valve. The upper valve uses a 5/16" OD ball and=0Ayou=
 cannot mix them up, our your pressure will not be there. Too large=0Aor=
 small a ball will not seat in the valve chamber. Also, if replacing=0Aw=
ith a new ball and spring, take a brass drift and "seat" the ball in=0Ai=
ts position. What is the condition of the piston rings and O=0Arings...t=
hey must be up to the task as well for them to hold that huge=0Apressure=
. Use sealant on all gaskets and in addition the brake ring=0Aseal to ea=
ch side of the case (ignore the passage in the workshop book=0Athat says=
 no sealant there-just be careful when applying it). Hank=0A=0A=09------=
-----------------------------------From: jpaynepbr@cox.net=0ATo: healeys=
@autox.team.net=0ACc: =0ASent: Saturday May 23 2020 5:36:24PM=0ASubject:=
 [Healeys] Overdrive non return valve Question=0A=0A=09So I pressure tes=
ted the OD at the operating valve plug =E2=80=93 370 PSI=0Aat 1,000 RPM=
 in 4th. Drops to about 340 PSI when I attempt to engage=0Athe OD. OD di=
d not engage.=0A=0A=09This is with the back end on jack stands (not the=
 recalled ones!), so=0Ait is under no load.=0A=0A=09 Held 150 PSI for ab=
out 20 minutes after being shut off and then took=0Aabout 2 hours to dro=
p below 100 PSI. At least I now have a better=0Aunderstanding of why the=
se things leak so badly. Who in their right=0Amind would design somethin=
g to hold that sort of residual oil=0Apressure?=0A=0A=09Based on all the=
 reading, pressure is too low, but nothing appears=0Away off?=0A=0A=09I=
=E2=80=99m using the Team.Net Tech site. =0A[1]http://www.team.net/www/h=
ealey/tech/big_hly/od/delborder_od.html=0A[2]=0A=0A=09Next step is to ch=
eck the non return valve spring. =0A=0A=09 Question, why would I take it=
 to a machinist to add .084=E2=80=9D to the=0Ahead of the little plunger=
 instead of just putting a washer on the=0Aback side of the head of the=
 plunger? =0A=0A=09If the stem length/ insertion length into spring is t=
hat important,=0Acouldn=E2=80=99t I could add length to that at home wit=
h my mig welder and=0Afile it so that the spring moves freely and doesn=
=E2=80=99t hang up? =0A=0A=09From the team.net site :=0A=0A=09psi, but f=
or proper operation, the pressure should be at 470 to 490=0Apsi.=0A=0A=
=09Now, finally... the OD low oil pressure cause and fix. A fatigued=0As=
pring in the non-return valve portion of the OD (see Fig. 6.19).=0AWhat?=
 Is that it? You must be kidding - I waited two months for this?=0AYes,=
 it does seem sort of anti-climactic, but this spring can cause=0Amajor=
 frustration. Springs are like people - as they age, they get=0Ashorter=
 and weaker. As you can see in Fig. 6.19, the spring pushes=0Aagainst a=
 ball and plunger. The purpose of this spring is to allow the=0Aball to=
 lift from its seat at each power stroke of the OD pump,=0Aallowing oil=
 to flow into the pressurized accumulating chamber, =0A=0A=09 =0A=0ALink=
s:=0A------=0A[1] http://www.team.net/www/healey/tech/big_hly/od/delbord=
er_od.html=0A[2] http://www.team.net/www/healey/tech/big_hly/od/delborde=
r_od.html=0A

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<html><body>OD Pressure should be much higher-could be 600 PSI. As I pre=
viously stated, be sure that the ball in the operating valve is the corr=
ect size- 1/4" OD in pump valve. The upper valve uses a 5/16" OD ball an=
d you cannot mix them up, our your pressure will not be there. Too large=
 or small a ball will not seat in the valve chamber. Also, if replacing=
 with a new ball and spring, take a brass drift and "seat" the ball in i=
ts position. What is the condition of the piston rings and O rings...the=
y must be up to the task as well for them to hold that huge pressure. Us=
e sealant on all gaskets and in addition the brake ring seal to each sid=
e of the case (ignore the passage in the workshop book that says no seal=
ant there-just be careful when applying it). Hank<br><br><div class=3D"r=
eply-new-signature"></div><p>-----------------------------------------</=
p>From: jpaynepbr@cox.net<br>To: healeys@autox.team.net<br>Cc: <br>Sent:=
 Saturday May 23 2020 5:36:24PM<br>Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive non retu=
rn valve Question<br><br><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"te=
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iv class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top=
-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">So I pressure tested the OD=
 at the operating valve plug =E2=80=93 370 PSI at 1,000 RPM in 4<sup>th<=
/sup>.&nbsp;&nbsp; Drops to about 340 PSI when I attempt to engage the O=
D. OD did not engage.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">This is w=
ith the back end on jack stands (not the recalled ones!), so it is under=
 no load.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margi=
n-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"> Held 150 PSI for abou=
t 20 minutes after being shut off and then took about 2 hours to drop be=
low 100 PSI.&nbsp; At least I now have a better understanding of why the=
se things leak so badly.&nbsp; Who in their right mind would design some=
thing to hold that sort of residual oil pressure?<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New R=
oman&quot;,serif">Based on all the reading, pressure is too low, but not=
hing appears way off?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">I=E2=80=
=99m using the Team.Net Tech site.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href=3D"http://w=
ww.team.net/www/healey/tech/big_hly/od/delborder_od.html"></a><a href=3D=
"http://www.team.net/www/healey/tech/big_hly/od/delborder_od.html"; targe=
t=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/www/healey/tech/big_hly/od/delborder_od=
.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margi=
n-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin=
-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,serif">Next step is to check the non return valve spri=
ng. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top=
-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">&nbsp;Question, why would I=
 take it to a machinist to add .084=E2=80=9D to the head of the little p=
lunger instead of just putting a washer on the back side of the head of=
 the plunger?&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">If the st=
em length/ insertion length into spring is that important, couldn=E2=80=
=99t I could add length to that at home with my mig welder and file it s=
o that the spring moves freely and doesn=E2=80=99t hang up?&nbsp; <o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;=
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">From the team.net site :<o:p></o:p></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-mar=
gin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;T=
imes New Roman&quot;,serif">psi, but for proper operation, the pressure=
 should be at 470 to 490 psi.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot=
;,serif">Now, finally... the OD low oil pressure cause and fix. A <u>fat=
igued spring in the non-return valve portion of the OD</u> (see Fig. 6.1=
9). What? Is that it? You must be kidding - I waited two months for this=
? Yes, it does seem sort of anti-climactic, but this spring can cause ma=
jor frustration. Springs are like people - as they age, they get shorter=
 and weaker. As you can see in Fig. 6.19, the spring pushes against a ba=
ll and plunger. The purpose of this spring is to allow the ball to lift=
 from its seat at each power stroke of the OD pump, allowing oil to flow=
 into the pressurized accumulating chamber, </span><img border=3D"0" wid=
th=3D"374" height=3D"356" style=3D"width:3.8956in;height:3.713in" id=3D"=
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ge003.png/filenamefs/INBOX3951225aeff6e015162aeb316983d8bd61558" alt=3D"=
rework of the OD hydraulic pump valve"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></=
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