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Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Broken Screw

To: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Broken Screw
From: Perry via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 20:41:55 -0400
Cc: Larry Wendland <bighealey3k@aim.com>, "healeys@autox.team.net" <healeys@autox.team.net>
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Thanks Mr Salter.  That verifies the data collected from the old rusty fram=
e! =F0=9F=98=8A


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From: Michael Salter
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 8:30 PM
To: Perry
Cc: Michael MacLean; Hank Leach; Larry Wendland; healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Broken Screw

HZS0405 is a 1/4" UNF=C2=A0 Hex head 5/8"" long l think.

M

On Fri., May 29, 2020, 7:19 p.m. Perry via Healeys, <healeys@autox.team.net=
> wrote:
Michael Your comment about finding 10-32 threads required an after dinner t=
rip back to the garage.=C2=A0 I have an old section of a 100 frame upstairs=
 and ran a 10 -32 screw in the 4 holes where the horns go.=C2=A0 Screw slip=
ped right through the threads.=C2=A0 Checked the holes and they appear to b=
e =C2=A0=C2=BC -26.=C2=A0 A test with one of the screws I had on hand showe=
d a reasonable fit.=C2=A0 Lots of old dried up grease and oil in those hole=
s. Hear is where having the complete fastener list would help this old guy.=
 The 100 Parts List shows the bolts as =E2=80=9CHZS0405=E2=80=9D.=20
Anyone have that fastener part number and corresponding size info handy?
Perry
=C2=A0
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
=C2=A0
From: Michael MacLean
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 4:39 PM
To: gradea1@charter.net
Cc: 'Larry Wendland'; 'healeys@autox.team.net'
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Broken Screw
=C2=A0
Chased the threads of the other three holes and found 10-32 threads.=C2=A0 =
Just finished drilling consecutively larger holes in screw starting with 1/=
16".=C2=A0 Finally knocked the screw inside with the last drill bit.=C2=A0 =
It was a little off center, but left enough of the original hole and thread=
s to run the tap through.=C2=A0 It's loose, but a little thread locker shou=
ld keep it in place.=C2=A0 First picture was a good start with the 1/16" bi=
t a little off center.=C2=A0 Second picture shows success.=C2=A0



Mike MacLean

Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
=C2=A0
On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 9:05 PM, gradea1@charter.net
<gradea1@charter.net> wrote:
Had the same issues when I restored #588...I was able to punch, drill and e=
asy out the bolt after first heating the busted shank with a torch. If you =
can stay centered as much as possible and use the smallest drill which woul=
d take a 1/4" easy-out , you should be able to salvage the threads.=C2=A0 O=
nce you get it moving rock in back and forth as you turn it out, I also use=
 Lucas Tool Box Buddy-penetrent to help it move. Early 100s used 1/4" BFS (=
photo) but by the time your car was made, it is probably UNF. You are most =
correct in saying "=C2=A0Nothing is easy on this car." Regards, Hank, heale=
yhelper.coom
-----------------------------------------
From: "Michael MacLean"=20
To: "healeyrik@gmail.com", "boyracer466@gmail.com", "Larry Wendland"
Cc: "healeys@autox.team.net"
Sent: Tuesday May 26 2020 6:17:22PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Broken Screw
This cross piece has captive nuts in a rectangular box tubing.=C2=A0 There =
is a seam on the top and bottom.=C2=A0 The captive nuts are welded in place=
 prior to putting the two halves together.=C2=A0 No access to the screw fro=
m the rear.
Mike
=C2=A0
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020, 6:10:11 PM PDT, Larry Wendland <bighealey3k@aim.c=
om> wrote:=20
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Mike are there any threads sticking out on the backside of the nut? If so y=
ou might be able to break the bolt remnant loose with a vise grip .If it is=
 threaded full length, you could continue to turn it till it comes out on t=
he back side of the nut. At worst screw it back out on the front side of th=
e nut.
Larry Wendland
'67 BJ8


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
To: healeyrik@gmail.com <healeyrik@gmail.com>; richard mayor <boyracer466@g=
mail.com>
Cc: healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, May 26, 2020 6:10 pm
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Broken Screw


As appealing as that sounds to shoot it out, with my resources drilling it =
out is my only option.=C2=A0 If I (if you'll pardon the pun) screw it up, i=
t will have to have a larger hole cut out and the J&B Weld a blind nut inse=
rt in there.=C2=A0 A little paint and then who will know?=C2=A0 Nothing is =
easy on this car.
Mike MacLean


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On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 2:59 PM, HealeyRick
<healeyrik@gmail.com> wrote:



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ss=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks Mr Salter.=C2=A0 That verifie=
s the data collected from the old rusty frame! <span style=3D'font-family:"=
Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>&#128522;</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al>Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986";>M=
ail</a> for Windows 10</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div st=
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pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'border:none;pad=
ding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";>Michael S=
alter</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, May 29, 2020 8:30 PM<br><b>To: </b><a hre=
f=3D"mailto:healeyguy@aol.com";>Perry</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:rr=
engineer.mike@att.net">Michael MacLean</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:gradea1@chart=
er.net">Hank Leach</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:bighealey3k@aim.com";>Larry Wendla=
nd</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a=
><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Broken Screw</p></div><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-=
size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>HZS0405 is a 1/4&quot; UNF&nbsp;=
 Hex head 5/8&quot;&quot; long l think.</span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>M</span></p></div></div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Fri., M=
ay 29, 2020, 7:19 p.m. Perry via Healeys, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@aut=
ox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><blockquote sty=
le=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt=
;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Michael Your commen=
t about finding 10-32 threads required an after dinner trip back to the gar=
age.&nbsp; I have an old section of a 100 frame upstairs and ran a 10 -32 s=
crew in the 4 holes where the horns go.&nbsp; Screw slipped right through t=
he threads.&nbsp; Checked the holes and they appear to be &nbsp;=C2=BC -26.=
&nbsp; A test with one of the screws I had on hand showed a reasonable fit.=
&nbsp; Lots of old dried up grease and oil in those holes. Hear is where ha=
ving the complete fastener list would help this old guy. The 100 Parts List=
 shows the bolts as =E2=80=9CHZS0405=E2=80=9D. </p><p class=3DMsoNormal sty=
le=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Anyone have that =
fastener part number and corresponding size info handy?</p><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Perry</p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:auto'>&nbsp;</p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-=
margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlin=
k/?LinkId=3D550986" target=3D"_blank">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&=
nbsp;</p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3=
.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso=
-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att=
.net" target=3D"_blank">Michael MacLean</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, May 29,=
 2020 4:39 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:gradea1@charter.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">gradea1@charter.net</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:bigheal=
ey3k@aim.com" target=3D"_blank">'Larry Wendland'</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:hea=
leys@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">'healeys@autox.team.net'</a><br><b>S=
ubject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Broken Screw</p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal s=
tyle=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;</p><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto=
'>Chased the threads of the other three holes and found 10-32 threads.&nbsp=
; Just finished drilling consecutively larger holes in screw starting with =
1/16&quot;.&nbsp; Finally knocked the screw inside with the last drill bit.=
&nbsp; It was a little off center, but left enough of the original hole and=
 threads to run the tap through.&nbsp; It's loose, but a little thread lock=
er should keep it in place.&nbsp; First picture was a good start with the 1=
/16&quot; bit a little off center.&nbsp; Second picture shows success.&nbsp=
;</p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-=
bottom-alt:auto'></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-to=
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 id=3D"m_-1502476094631935219yMail_cursorElementTracker_1590556777390"><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Mik=
e MacLean<br><br></p><div id=3D"m_-1502476094631935219ymail_android_signatu=
re"><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
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><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-al=
t:auto'>&nbsp;</p><blockquote style=3D'margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;mar=
gin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D=
'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-fa=
mily:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#6D00F6'>On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 9:05 PM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:gradea1@charter.net"; target=3D"_blank">gradea1@charter.net</=
a></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:au=
to;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-seri=
f;color:#6D00F6'>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gradea1@charter.net"; target=3D"_blan=
k">gradea1@charter.net</a>&gt; wrote:</span></p></div></div><div style=3D'b=
order:none;border-left:solid #6D00F6 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 15.0pt;margi=
n-top:7.5pt'><div id=3D"m_-1502476094631935219yiv8925947801"><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Had the=
 same issues when I restored #588...I was able to punch, drill and easy out=
 the bolt after first heating the busted shank with a torch. If you can sta=
y centered as much as possible and use the smallest drill which would take =
a 1/4&quot; easy-out , you should be able to salvage the threads.&nbsp; Onc=
e you get it moving rock in back and forth as you turn it out, I also use L=
ucas Tool Box Buddy-penetrent to help it move. Early 100s used 1/4&quot; BF=
S (photo) but by the time your car was made, it is probably UNF. You are mo=
st correct in saying &quot;&nbsp;<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Nothing is easy on this car.&quot; =
Regards, Hank, healeyhelper.coom</span></p><p>-----------------------------=
------------</p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margi=
n-bottom:12.0pt'>From: &quot;Michael MacLean&quot; <br>To: &quot;<a href=3D=
"mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">healeyrik@gmail.com</a>&quot=
;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:boyracer466@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">boyrace=
r466@gmail.com</a>&quot;, &quot;Larry Wendland&quot;<br>Cc: &quot;<a href=
=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net=
</a>&quot;<br>Sent: Tuesday May 26 2020 6:17:22PM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys]=
 Fwd: Broken Screw</p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-to=
p-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font=
-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>This cross piece has captive nuts in a rec=
tangular box tubing.&nbsp; There is a seam on the top and bottom.&nbsp; The=
 captive nuts are welded in place prior to putting the two halves together.=
&nbsp; No access to the screw from the rear.</span></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><=
span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Mike</s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Time=
s New Roman",serif'>&nbsp;</span></p></div></div><div id=3D"m_-150247609463=
1935219yiv8925947801yqt04383"><div id=3D"m_-1502476094631935219yiv892594780=
1yahoo_quoted_1296244707"><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margi=
n-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Tuesday, May 26, 2020,=
 6:10:11 PM PDT, Larry Wendland &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bighealey3k@aim.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">bighealey3k@aim.com</a>&gt; wrote: </span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;c=
olor:#26282A'>&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso=
-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>&nbsp;</span></p></=
div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-mar=
gin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica=
",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Mike are there any threads sticking out on the =
backside of the nut? If so you might be able to break the bolt remnant loos=
e with a vise grip .If it is threaded full length, you could continue to tu=
rn it till it comes out on the back side of the nut. At worst screw it back=
 out on the front side of the nut.<br>Larry Wendland<br>'67 BJ8<br><br><br>=
-----Original Message-----<br>From: Michael MacLean &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:r=
rengineer.mike@att.net" target=3D"_blank">rrengineer.mike@att.net</a>&gt;<b=
r>To: <a href=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">healeyrik@gm=
ail.com</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">he=
aleyrik@gmail.com</a>&gt;; richard mayor &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:boyracer466@=
gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">boyracer466@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Cc: healeys &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@auto=
x.team.net</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Tue, May 26, 2020 6:10 pm<br>Subject: Re: [Heal=
eys] Fwd: Broken Screw<br><br><br>As appealing as that sounds to shoot it o=
ut, with my resources drilling it out is my only option.&nbsp; If I (if you=
'll pardon the pun) screw it up, it will have to have a larger hole cut out=
 and the J&amp;B Weld a blind nut insert in there.&nbsp; A little paint and=
 then who will know?&nbsp; Nothing is easy on this car.<br>Mike MacLean<br>=
<br><br>Sent from AT&amp;T Yahoo Mail on Android<br><br>&nbsp; <br><br>On T=
ue, May 26, 2020 at 2:59 PM, HealeyRick<br>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeyrik@=
gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">healeyrik@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br><br>=
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