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Re: [Healeys] BN2 Fan Belt

To: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN2 Fan Belt
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 10:12:37 -0700
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That's what I figured (actually, I tried to convince myself of that 
because I'd already gotten the belt on an tensioned). But, checking into 
it, it seems there are a lot of alternative that may, or may not, be 
better than original. What to do (I don't like the OEM-type belts; I 
suspect there's a reason autos went to thinner belts over the years).



On 10/17/2021 10:05 AM, Michael Salter wrote:
> That's total BS Bob.
> The "cogs" are really just there to eliminate stress in the belt as it 
> curves around pulleys.
> A "V" belt must ride on its side faces without the inside surface 
> bottoming out in any pulley.
>
> M
>
> On Sun., Oct. 17, 2021, 12:58 p.m. Bob Spidell, <bspidell@comcast.net 
>
>     It was suggested to me that the cogged belt is /designed /to grab
>     the bottom of the pulley, instead of the sides. This makes some
>     sense, any industrial engineers know the 'theory' on this.
>
>     One thing is for sure, the cogged belt "don't /look/ 'right,'" at
>     least not compared to original.
>
>
>     On 10/17/2021 8:13 AM, Michael Salter wrote:
>>     As I recall the original belt for a 100 is a Ferodo V161.
>>      I have been using a B-45 Gates belts which sit a little lower in
>>     the pulley but don't contact the bottom of the pulley groove.
>>     https://www.biedlers-belts.com/gates-b45-belt.html
>>     <https://www.biedlers-belts.com/gates-b45-belt.html>
>>
>>     M
>>
>>
>>     On Sun., Oct. 17, 2021, 10:16 a.m. David P via Healeys,
>>
>>         Gates belts has a belt for industrial equipment (non
>>         automotive) that is an excellent copy of the original.
>>         Unfortunately I don't remember the part number.. (gets worse
>>         with age). I found it googling their web pages.. B1 kinda
>>         rings a bell.. happy hunting.  DP
>>
>>         On 10/17/2021 8:01 AM, Bob Spidell wrote:
>>>         I'm going to return it, with '8x10 colored glossy photographs.'
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 10/17/2021 6:43 AM, warthodson@aol.com
>>>>         Bob,
>>>>         The way the vendors find out about an issue is if the
>>>>         customer tells them.  You should forward your message to Moss.
>>>>         Gary Hodson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         -----Original Message-----
>>>>         From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
>>>>         To: Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
>>>>         Sent: Sat, Oct 16, 2021 7:52 pm
>>>>         Subject: [Healeys] BN2 Fan Belt
>>>>
>>>>         I finally got around to fixing my loose water pump pulley
>>>>         and installing a new fan belt. I ordered a 'cogged' belt
>>>>         from Moss--part# 021-966--thinking it might work better
>>>>         than the original slab of rubber. I noticed before
>>>>         installing that it was narrower than the original type that
>>>>         I'd had, which had rotted, but it looked like it would
>>>>         work. Once I started tensioning it however, it was clear it
>>>>         /might /work, but sat too low in the pulleys, and was
>>>>         essentially riding on the bottom of the pulley grooves
>>>>         instead of on the sides (and the angle of the sides of the
>>>>         belt was incorrect). Anyone else tried one of these?
>>>>
>>>>         I'm shocked, SHOCKED I TELL YA', that a vendor would sell
>>>>         something that could possibly work, but isn't truly correct.
>>>>
>>>>         bs
>>>>
>>>


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    That's what I figured (actually, I tried to convince myself of that
    because I'd already gotten the belt on an tensioned). But, checking
    into it, it seems there are a lot of alternative that may, or may
    not, be better than original. What to do (I don't like the OEM-type
    belts; I suspect there's a reason autos went to thinner belts over
    the years).<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/17/2021 10:05 AM, Michael Salter
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAB3i7L+xreNooG+b+97x5_B9rDpKd_dzEJBMUQsUmmV0QczP2A@mail.gmail.com">
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      <div dir="auto">That's total BS Bob.
        <div dir="auto">The "cogs" are really just there to eliminate
          stress in the belt as it curves around pulleys. </div>
        <div dir="auto">A "V" belt must ride on its side faces without
          the inside surface bottoming out in any pulley.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">M</div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun., Oct. 17, 2021, 12:58
          p.m. Bob Spidell, &lt;<a href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";
            moz-do-not-send="true">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
          <div> It was suggested to me that the cogged belt is <i>designed
            </i>to grab the bottom of the pulley, instead of the sides.
            This makes some sense, any industrial engineers know the
            'theory' on this.<br>
            <br>
            One thing is for sure, the cogged belt "don't <i>look</i>
            'right,'" at least not compared to original.<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <div>On 10/17/2021 8:13 AM, Michael Salter wrote:<br>
            </div>
            <blockquote type="cite">
              <div dir="auto">As I recall the original belt for a 100 is
                a Ferodo V161.
                <div dir="auto"> I have been using a B-45 Gates belts
                  which sit a little lower in the pulley but don't
                  contact the bottom of the pulley groove.</div>
                <div dir="auto"><a
                    href="https://www.biedlers-belts.com/gates-b45-belt.html";
                    target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                    
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.biedlers-belts.com/gates-b45-belt.html</a><br>
                </div>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
                </div>
                <div dir="auto">M</div>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
                </div>
              </div>
              <br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">
                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun., Oct. 17,
                  2021, 10:16 a.m. David P via Healeys, &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel="noreferrer
                    noreferrer" target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                  .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                  <div>
                    <p>Gates belts has a belt for industrial equipment
                      (non automotive) that is an excellent copy of the
                      original. Unfortunately I don't remember the part
                      number.. (gets worse with age). I found it
                      googling their web pages.. B1 kinda rings a bell..
                      happy hunting.  DP <br>
                    </p>
                    <div>On 10/17/2021 8:01 AM, Bob Spidell wrote:<br>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote type="cite"> I'm going to return it,
                      with '8x10 colored glossy photographs.'<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <div>On 10/17/2021 6:43 AM, <a
                          href="mailto:warthodson@aol.com";
                          rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
                          target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">warthodson@aol.com</a>
                        wrote:<br>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote type="cite">
                        <div style="color:black;font:12pt Comic Sans
                          MS,sans-serif">Bob,
                          <div>The way the vendors find out about an
                            issue is if the customer tells them.  You
                            should forward your message to Moss.</div>
                          <div>Gary Hodson<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <div
                              
style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font
                                size="2">-----Original Message-----<br>
                                From: Bob Spidell <a
                                  href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";
                                  rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
                                  target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;bspidell@comcast.net&gt;</a><br>
                                To: Healeys <a
                                  href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                                  rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
                                  target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;</a><br>
                                Sent: Sat, Oct 16, 2021 7:52 pm<br>
                                Subject: [Healeys] BN2 Fan Belt<br>
                                <br>
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                                  <div> I finally got around to fixing
                                    my loose water pump pulley and
                                    installing a new fan belt. I ordered
                                    a 'cogged' belt from Moss--part#
                                    021-966--thinking it might work
                                    better than the original slab of
                                    rubber. I noticed before installing
                                    that it was narrower than the
                                    original type that I'd had, which
                                    had rotted, but it looked like it
                                    would work. Once I started
                                    tensioning it however, it was clear
                                    it <i>might </i>work, but sat too
                                    low in the pulleys, and was
                                    essentially riding on the bottom of
                                    the pulley grooves instead of on the
                                    sides (and the angle of the sides of
                                    the belt was incorrect). Anyone else
                                    tried one of these?<br>
                                    <br>
                                    I'm shocked, SHOCKED I TELL YA',
                                    that a vendor would sell something
                                    that could possibly work, but isn't
                                    truly correct.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    bs<br>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
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