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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Crankshaft
From: Bob Spidell via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 11:33:05 -0700
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Begs the question: Anyone make an aftermarket balancer for the 100s? Without=
 looking, I think there=E2=80=99s enough room for one.

> On Oct 30, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Henry G Leach via Healeys <healeys@autox.tea=
m.net> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFThe "weakness" in the original 100, A-90 crankshaft was the lack o=
f a harmonic balancer, coupled with a huge heavy flywheel.  More than likely=
, the crank that was sought after for replacement, had cracks near the rear m=
ain area where it vibrated itself to death. A case for not revving the engin=
e over 4000 rpms. (Donald Healey set strict orders for all his racers to kee=
p the revs down).
>=20
> They (BMC) fixed all that, or should I say Morris Motors, fixed it by addi=
ng the harmonic balancer to the early 100-6 engine.  Too bad they lost point=
s in other areas, but by the time the 2912cc engine was developed, they did i=
n fact fix all that...best six made!  Hank
>=20
> -----------------------------------------
>=20
> From: "David Porter via Healeys"=20
> To: "Michael MacLean", "healeys@autox.team.net"
> Cc:=20
> Sent: Saturday October 30 2021 4:20:15AM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Crankshaft
>=20
> Don't over think this. Just because it will rev much better doesn't mean i=
t gets used all the time, but it's there. Of course the addition of other li=
ghter bits and an AL head and expensive harmonic balancer will have you at a=
 greater expense. Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?. The AH fou=
r makes excellent bottom end torque. The huge main caps handle it just fine.=
 The original crank is the weak link. DP
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On October 30, 2021, at 3:22 AM, Michael MacLean via Healeys <healeys@auto=
x.team.net> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Wouldn't you have to beef up the main caps and add straps across them to h=
andle the crank in higher RPM?  Just a thought with only 3 main bearings and=
 no harmonic balancer.
> Mike MacLean
>=20
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 8:48 PM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE via Healeys <healeys@au=
tox.team.net> wrote:
>> I=E2=80=99d say it doesn=E2=80=99t transform the engine by itself, but it=
 provides a stronger basis for the other mods that will.
>>=20
>> Bill Lawrence
>> BN1 #554
>> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Bob Spidell v=
ia Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 1:16 AM
>> To: richard mayor <boyracer466@gmail.com>
>> Cc: healeys@autox.team.net <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Crankshaft
>> =20
>> Does it de-stroke the engine (shorter throws)?
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Oct 29, 2021, at 5:05 PM, richard mayor via Healeys <healeys@autox.tea=
m.net> wrote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> But a lightened flywheel will get you there quicker.
>>=20
>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 3:19 PM Michael Salter via Healeys <healeys@autox=
.team.net> wrote:
>> David, how does changing the crankshaft give you 2000 additional RPM?
>> Lighter rods and pistons, balancing, cam timing, bigger valves, porting, b=
igger carbs,  shorter stroke, even increased compression may all contribute t=
o higher RPM but a crank alone will not make any difference, neither will a l=
ightened flywheel.=20
>> M
>>=20
>> On Fri., Oct. 29, 2021, 6:03 p.m. David P via Healeys, <healeys@autox.tea=
m.net> wrote:
>> lighter, stronger, 2000+ additional rpms ,add a wee bit of cam and its a s=
tormer and looks dead stock.. add a real seal and go have some fun.  As I sa=
id IMHO.. It ain't cheap. dp  I understand one is going on BAT in the near f=
uture. Black over red..
>>=20
>> On 10/29/2021 3:25 PM, Michael Salter via Healeys wrote:
>> Confirmation bias is a very powerful force.
>>=20
>> M
>>=20
>> On Fri., Oct. 29, 2021, 3:35 p.m. Bob Spidell via Healeys, <healeys@autox=
.team.net> wrote:
>> OK, I'll bite: How does a Welch crank transform a a 100? I get that
>> they're steel and stronger, and should withstand more RPM/HP, but does
>> the crank alone do it?
>>=20
>> Bob
>>=20
>> On 10/29/2021 8:10 AM, David P via Healeys wrote:
>> >
>> > pretty much hen's teeth is my guess. But a Welsh crank, it transforms
>> > the engine. IMHO  I'm sure Donald wishes they were available in '54
>> >
>> > On 10/28/2021 2:29 PM, Robert Memler via Healeys wrote:
>> >> I need a crankshaft for a 54 b;no. Does anyone have a spare that they
>> >> would be willing to sell?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks, Bob Memler
>> >>
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Beg=
s the question: Anyone make an aftermarket balancer for the 100s? Without lo=
oking, I think there=E2=80=99s enough room for one.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
r><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 30, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Henry G Leach via H=
ealeys &lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BFThe "weakness" in the origina=
l 100, A-90 crankshaft was the lack of a harmonic balancer, coupled with a h=
uge heavy flywheel.&nbsp; More than likely, the crank that was sought after f=
or replacement, had cracks near the rear main area where it vibrated itself t=
o death. A case for not revving the engine over 4000 rpms. (Donald Healey se=
t strict orders for all his racers to keep the revs down).<div><br></div><di=
v>They (BMC) fixed all that, or should I say Morris Motors, fixed it by addi=
ng the harmonic balancer to the early 100-6 engine.&nbsp; Too bad they lost p=
oints in other areas, but by the time the 2912cc engine was developed, they d=
id in fact fix all that...best six made!&nbsp; Hank<br><br><div class=3D"rep=
ly-new-signature"></div><p>-----------------------------------------</p>From:=
 "David Porter via Healeys" <healeys@autox.team.net><br>To: "Michael MacLean=
", "healeys@autox.team.net"<br>Cc: <br>Sent: Saturday October 30 2021 4:20:1=
5AM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Crankshaft<br><br>
<p dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri">Don't over think this. Just
because it will rev much better doesn't mean it gets used all the
time, but it's there. Of course the addition of other lighter bits
and an AL head and expensive harmonic balancer will have you at a
greater expense. Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?.
The AH four makes excellent bottom end torque. The huge main caps
handle it just fine. The original crank is the weak link.
DP</font></p>
<font face=3D"Calibri"><br><br>
On October 30, 2021, at 3:22 AM, Michael MacLean via Healeys
&lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br><br></font>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>Wouldn't you have to beef up the main caps and add straps
across them to handle the crank in higher RPM?&nbsp; Just a thought
with only 3 main bearings and no harmonic balancer.<br></div>
<div>Mike MacLean<br></div>
</div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 8:48 PM
WILLIAM B LAWRENCE via Healeys &lt;<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">
<div>
<div>I=E2=80=99d say it doesn=E2=80=99t transform the engine by itself, but i=
t
provides a stronger basis for the other mods that will.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Bill Lawrence</div>
<div>BN1 #554</div>
<hr style=3D"width:98%;"><div dir=3D"ltr">
<font style=3D"font-size:11pt;" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#00000=
0"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;<a>healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; on beh=
alf of Bob
Spidell via Healeys &lt;<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b> Sa=
turday, October 30, 2021 1:16 AM<br><b>To:</b> richard mayor &lt;<a>boyracer=
466@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a>healeys@autox.team.net</a> &lt;<a>hea=
leys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Crankshaft</fon=
t>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Does it de-stroke the engine (shorter throws)?</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote>On Oct 29, 2021, at 5:05 PM, richard mayor
via Healeys &lt;<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote=
>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<div dir=3D"ltr">But a lightened flywheel will get you there
quicker.<br></div>
<br><div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 3:19 PM Michael Salter via
Healeys &lt;<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px .8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex;">
<div>David, how does changing the crankshaft give you
2000 additional RPM?
<div>Lighter rods and pistons, balancing, cam timing,
bigger valves, porting, bigger carbs,&nbsp; shorter stroke, even
increased compression may all contribute to higher RPM but a crank
alone will not make any difference, neither will a lightened
flywheel.&nbsp;</div>
<div>M</div>
</div>
<br><div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri., Oct. 29, 2021, 6:03 p.m. David P via
Healeys, &lt;<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px .8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex;">
<div>
<p>lighter, stronger, 2000+ additional rpms ,add a wee bit of cam
and its a stormer and looks dead stock.. add a real seal and go
have some fun.&nbsp; As I said IMHO.. It ain't cheap. dp&nbsp; I
understand one is going on BAT in the near future. Black over
red..<br></p>
<div>On 10/29/2021 3:25 PM, Michael Salter via Healeys
wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote>
<div>Confirmation bias is a very powerful force.
<div><br></div>
<div>M</div>
</div>
<br><div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri., Oct. 29, 2021, 3:35 p.m. Bob Spidell via
Healeys, &lt;<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px .8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex;">
OK, I'll bite: How does a Welch crank transform a a 100? I get
that<br>
they're steel and stronger, and should withstand more RPM/HP, but
does<br>
the crank alone do it?<br><br>
Bob<br><br>
On 10/29/2021 8:10 AM, David P via Healeys wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; pretty much hen's teeth is my guess. But a Welsh crank, it
transforms<br>
&gt; the engine. IMHO&nbsp; I'm sure Donald wishes they were
available in '54<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 10/28/2021 2:29 PM, Robert Memler via Healeys wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; I need a crankshaft for a 54 b;no. Does anyone have a
spare that they<br>
&gt;&gt; would be willing to sell?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Thanks, Bob Memler<br>
&gt;&gt;<br><br>
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