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Mike =E2=80=93 I would think that would be the likely explanation for =
having sections of the drum rim machined off.
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All the best,
=20
Al Fuller
=20
From: Michael MacLean <springer.mike51@gmail.com>=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2023 2:47 PM
To: alfuller194@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer
=20
Al, list,=20
The drums for my BN2 has sections of the raised rim machined off. =
Does this mean my drums were balanced in the past?
Mike MacLean
=20
On Tue, May 16, 2023, 2:30 PM <alfuller194@gmail.com =
Bob: If you are wondering about brake drum balancing methods, you may =
be interested in the two methods used on my Healeys.=20
=20
One shop trimmed off the fins as needed to balance the drums, one =
needing more trimming than the other =E2=80=93 but they both came out =
well.
=20
A different shop welded rod material onto my current BJ-8=E2=80=99s =
drums to balance them. I think these drums were more out of balance than =
on prior cars. They were careful to call me ahead of the operation to =
ask how much clearance I had between the wheel and drum, and I was able =
to take them a wheel and hub so they could see how it all fit together. =
The results are just fine, also.
----------------
All the best,
=20
Al Fuller
=20
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net =
Healeys
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2023 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer
=20
Harold,
How did you balance the drums - add or remove material? Care to provide =
any details?
Bob Haskell
Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar
On 5/15/23 11:32, Harold Manifold wrote:
Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. I =
have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of =
balance they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the =
separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle =
shakes so far.=20
=20
Harold
=20
On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34=E2=80=AFAM <greylinn@ozemail.com.au =
Here in Brisbane there=E2=80=99s at least one place (near me) that does =
on-car balancing. The wheels on my 100 don=E2=80=99t have a central =
hole, so can=E2=80=99t be balanced on a regular machine. That said, the =
last set of Khumo Ecowing ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing!
=20
Peter Linn
Brisbane
BN1 Holden V6
MG TC special
=20
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net =
Healeys
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer
=20
I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner). I =
had a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true =
on the inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight =
chamfer on the edges to provide better registration for the standard =
cones on a modern balancer. Then we machined the centre out of the =
spinner so that when the wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is =
tightened, the outer cone on the balancer fits through it and registers =
on the hub. That part is a little tricky as if you machine the hole too =
big, the spinner will end up in two pieces =E2=80=93 measure carefully! =
Hub and spinner was $25 at a swap meet and machining was $50. I believe =
this adaptor will work on any post-war wire wheels except the Jags, =
which had different hubs. Worked a treat on my TC wheels. Healey is =
running vibration-free- so leaving it alone for now.
=20
I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the =
drum or disk at the same time =E2=80=93 as long as you remembered to =
mark the position of the wheels when you took them off and did not =
rotate them (to a different position on the car)! That is likely one =
reason they are not used anymore, because if your drums were out of =
balance and you added weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then =
every time you removed the wheel, you=E2=80=99d loose the balance, =
unless it went back in exactly the same position. Anyhow it=E2=80=99s =
a moot point as I have not seen an on-wheel balancer for decades. I =
imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but when I balanced the drums =
on the TC they were significantly off. I hear balancing Healey drums =
brings good results, but never felt the need as my BT7 has always run =
pretty smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants drums balanced, =
Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me.
=20
Mirek
=20
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net =
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer
=20
It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS =
recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece =
of kit.
=20
Harold
=20
On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28=E2=80=AFAM HealeyRick via Healeys =
AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to =
mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? =
=
https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-bal=
ancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=3Demail-1st =
<https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-ba=
lancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=3Demail-1st&utm_source=3Dnewsletter&utm_mediu=
m=3Demail> &utm_source=3Dnewsletter&utm_medium=3Demail
=20
Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick"
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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Mike =E2=80=93 I would think =
that would be the likely explanation for having sections of the drum rim =
machined off.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>----------------<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>All the best,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Al =
Fuller<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Michael MacLean =
<springer.mike51@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 16, 2023 =
2:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> alfuller194@gmail.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel =
Balancer<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Al, =
list, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal> =
The drums for my BN2 has sections of the raised rim machined off. =
Does this mean my drums were balanced in the =
past?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Mike =
MacLean<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Tue, May 16, 2023, 2:30 PM <<a =
href=3D"mailto:alfuller194@gmail.com";>alfuller194@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Bob: =
If you are wondering about brake drum balancing methods, you may be =
interested in the two methods used on my Healeys. <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>One shop =
trimmed off the fins as needed to balance the drums, one needing more =
trimming than the other =E2=80=93 but they both came out =
well.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>A different =
shop welded rod material onto my current BJ-8=E2=80=99s drums to balance =
them. I think these drums were more out of balance than on prior cars. =
They were careful to call me ahead of the operation to ask how much =
clearance I had between the wheel and drum, and I was able to take them =
a wheel and hub so they could see how it all fit together. The =
results are just fine, also.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>------------=
----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>All the =
best,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Al =
Fuller<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b>=
Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Bob Haskell via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 15, 2023 2:36 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Harold Manifold <<a =
href=3D"mailto:manifold@telus.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">manifold@telus.net</a>>; Healey List <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p>Harold,<o:p></o:p></p><p>How did you balance the drums - add =
or remove material? Care to provide any details?<o:p></o:p></p><pre>Bob =
Haskell<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Austin-Healey 3000 roadster =
registrar<o:p></o:p></pre><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On 5/15/23 =
11:32, Harold Manifold wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Another =
consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. I have =
the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balance =
they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the =
separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or =
skuttle shakes so far. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Harold<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Mon, May =
15, 2023 at 12:34=E2=80=AFAM <<a =
href=3D"mailto:greylinn@ozemail.com.au"; =
target=3D"_blank">greylinn@ozemail.com.au</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-AU>Here in Brisbane there=E2=80=99s at least one place (near =
me) that does on-car balancing. The wheels on my 100 don=E2=80=99t have =
a central hole, so can=E2=80=99t be balanced on a regular machine. That =
said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing ES31s I bought are fine with no =
balancing!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-AU> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-AU>Peter Linn</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-AU>Brisbane</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-AU>BN1 Holden V6</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-AU>MG TC special</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-AU> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b>=
Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>m.g.sharp--- via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Harold Manifold' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:manifold@telus.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">manifold@telus.net</a>>; 'HealeyRick' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeyrik@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> 'Healeys' =
<<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-AU> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off =
(spinner). I had a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure =
that it was true on the inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had =
him put a slight chamfer on the edges to provide better registration for =
the standard cones on a modern balancer. Then we machined the =
centre out of the spinner so that when the wheel is mounted on the =
hub and the spinner is tightened, the outer cone on the balancer fits =
through it and registers on the hub. That part is a little tricky =
as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner will end up in two =
pieces =E2=80=93 measure carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at a =
swap meet and machining was $50. I believe this adaptor will work =
on any post-war wire wheels except the Jags, which had different =
hubs. Worked a treat on my TC wheels. Healey is running =
vibration-free- so leaving it alone for now.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-CA> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it =
balanced the drum or disk at the same time =E2=80=93 as long as you =
remembered to mark the position of the wheels when you took them off and =
did not rotate them (to a different position on the car)! That is =
likely one reason they are not used anymore, because if your drums =
were out of balance and you added weights to the wheel that balanced =
them out, then every time you removed the wheel, you=E2=80=99d loose the =
balance, unless it went back in exactly the same position. =
Anyhow it=E2=80=99s a moot point as I have not seen an =
on-wheel balancer for decades. I imagine that disks run very =
true anyhow, but when I balanced the drums on the TC they were =
significantly off. I hear balancing Healey drums brings good =
results, but never felt the need as my BT7 has always run pretty =
smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants drums balanced, =
Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for =
me.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-CA> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>Mirek</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-CA> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b>=
Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Harold Manifold<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> HealeyRick <<a href=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeyrik@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Healeys =
<<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-CA> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>It looks like the kit is designed to follow the =
Dunlop/MWS recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a =
good piece of kit.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-CA> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>Harold</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-CA> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28=E2=80=AFAM HealeyRick via =
Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
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balancer kit to mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. =
What are your thoughts? <a =
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heel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=3Demail-1st&utm_source=3Dnewslette=
r&utm_medium=3Demail" =
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