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Re: Nitrous....and controler

To: John Beckett <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Nitrous....and controler
From: Tim Schoeny <tschoen@fuse.net>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 08:24:38 -0400
Sounds like you've got it covered.What kind of 02 sensor are you using?
                                                        Tim

John Beckett wrote:

>     Tim
>
>     Your right, however these injectors are reasonably good size. Makes 400+
> HP on the "E" motor at only a 60% duty cycle. That should leave me enough
> for approximately a 150 HP system. Will have to up-grade at some point for
> bigger engines. So far the leaded race gas hasn't killed the sensor...and I
> hope not to soon at $350 each...but I try to run unleaded wherever possible.
> Still don't quite fathom why they don't sell it at Bonneville.
>
> John Beckett, LSR #79
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Schoeny" <tschoen@fuse.net>
> To: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> Cc: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Nitrous....and controler
>
> > John,my deal has one of those too-only catch is your injectors have to be
> big
> > enough to pass the extra fuel when you hit the nitros.Beeeeeee
> careful.Does your
> > O2 work ok with leaded gas?mine seems to clog up pretty quick.
> >                                                           Tim Schoeny
> >
> > John Beckett wrote:
> >
> > >     Playing with the tune-up on my EFI system the other
> day...distributor
> > > BS... and discovered a page in the computer on Nitrous. Light goes on in
> the
> > > dark reaches of my empty head...I'd like to run in the fuel classes too.
> > > This feature has always been there just to busy to pay attention. OK, so
> I
> > > opened it up and found some neat stuff. Apparently I can run a dry
> > > system...meaning I can add all the fuel required through the injectors,
> > > without special pumps regulators lines filters etc....and run the
> Nitrous
> > > direct to the manifold. It's also a two stage system, adjustable delay
> > > between stages, RPM sensitive, TPS on & off, has it's own fuel map, and
> it's
> > > still controlled by the O2 sensor at a predetermined A/F ratio as rich
> as 10
> > > to 1.
> > >     Wow, I need to pay more attention when I buy stuff. If I don't get
> the
> > > turbo system up and running soon maybe I can at least try some N2O.
> > >
> > > John Beckett, LSR #79
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
> > > To: "Dick J" <lsr_man@yahoo.com>; "John Beckett"
> > > <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 9:24 AM
> > > Subject: Re: C motor and Nitrous....Hmmm
> > >
> > > > Nitrous Research has been going on like Mad around here....
> > > >
> > > > Seems there are a Bazillion systems to chose from and a Hundred ways
> to
> > > set
> > > > it up and run it... I am sure that Most work...
> > > >
> > > > We are using the Nitrous to Aid the Motor in getting to the right RPM
> in
> > > 3rd
> > > > gear and then we are going to spray all of forth gear. ... This is our
> > > basic
> > > > thoughts on the subject.... This whole Kit isn't going to be capable
> of
> > > more
> > > > then 300hp... we currently don't have the Blocks that will stand
> it.....
> > > our
> > > > thoughts up front are to actually use less then 150 hp kit.... Just a
> bit
> > > of
> > > > a boost to an already strong Motor...
> > > >
> > > > K
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Dick J <lsr_man@yahoo.com>
> > > > To: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>; John Beckett
> > > <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>;
> > > > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 8:20 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: C motor and Nitrous....Hmmm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hey Keith, when running nitrous, are you hitting
> > > > > the button as soon as you start rolling like drag
> > > > > cars, or are you just going to use it once in
> > > > > high gear?  I'm pretty well set that I'm going to
> > > > > use nitrous on the little Dodge hemi, but my plan
> > > > > is to get through the gears in the first quarter
> > > > > mile or so, then hit the button in high gear
> > > > > only.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dick J
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net> wrote:
> > > > > > Don't think the 200mph pass will happen in June
> > > > > > at Maxton.... but maybe
> > > > > > better then we have done before... looking for
> > > > > > High 180's.... on the
> > > > > > smallest hp Nitrous system we can run just to
> > > > > > Prove the system.... Most
> > > > > > likely a 4th gear only Pass... It's Just to
> > > > > > close to Muroc to hurt it....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are talking going back to the C Motor for
> > > > > > Both the Sept and Oct Meets and
> > > > > > Running up the Hp on the Nitrous till it gets
> > > > > > there or runs over the Crank.
> > > > > > Basically Trying to get Brad into the Two Club
> > > > > > with the ECTA....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This of course is assuming that I don't run
> > > > > > over the Crank at Muroc!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: John Beckett
> > > > > > <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > > > > > To: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>;
> > > > > > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 7:30 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: C motor and Nitrous....Hmmm
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 200 MPH on nitrous???
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
> > > > > > > To: "John Beckett"
> > > > > > <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>;
> > > > > > > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 10:49 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: C motor and Nitrous....Hmmm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We are coming to Maxton before Muroc....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hoping to test the motor just Prior to
> > > > > > Maxton....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > K
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: John Beckett
> > > > > > <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > > > > > > > To: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>;
> > > > > > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 8:45 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: C motor and Nitrous....Hmmm
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > To bad you cant try it out at Maxton
> > > > > > before you head to Muroc.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > JB
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
> > > > > > > > > To: "John Beckett"
> > > > > > <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>;
> > > > > > > > > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:27 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: C motor and Nitrous....Hmmm
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We were supposed to get some
> > > > > > Complimentary stuff from a Very popular
> > > > > > > > > company
> > > > > > > > > > as a result of the Hot Rod Deal....
> > > > > > well that whole Package set up
> > > > > > > fell
> > > > > > > > > > through yesterday... Bummer it was a 2k
> > > > > > system..... so we are now
> > > > > > > > looking
> > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > other options.... Think I got it all
> > > > > > nailed down today....
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  Talked to my Engine Management
> > > > > > specialist... ( thanks for the free
> > > > > > > > > consult
> > > > > > > > > > Dave) and we are looking at a couple of
> > > > > > options....He likes a single
> > > > > > > > > Nitrous
> > > > > > > > > > system brought in Early.... just after
> > > > > > Peak torque....Starting with
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > 50hp
> > > > > > > > > > kit and working up from there....
> > > > > > (ease of tuning Vs the Dual stage
> > > > > > > > > > system )
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The C Motor was missing as a result of
> > > > > > some fouled Plugs... nothing
> > > > > > > > more..
> > > > > > > > > > we took the motor out and apart and
> > > > > > it's finally not hurt.... Just
> > > > > > > > > polishing
> > > > > > > > > > the Crank and rolling a new set of
> > > > > > bearings in and a couple of other
> > > > > > > > > Machine
> > > > > > > > > > shop operations....( lifter galley oil
> > > > > > drain back restrictors) and
> > > > > > > > > Blending
> > > > > > > > > > the block where it meets the head to
> > > > > > get rid of the shelf....
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Other then that we are opening up the
> > > > > > rings a tick to handle the
> > > > > > > > > Nitrous....
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Should be on the Dyno within the next
> > > > > > two weeks.... I am like you
> > > > > > > > John....
> > > > > > > > > > looking forward to seeing the real
> > > > > > numbers....
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > One of the other things that bothers us
> > > > > > is the Fuel flow to the
> > > > > > > > system...
> > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > I am going to get a bigger Fuel Filter
> > > > > > and get rid of the sexy lines
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > > with FAT lines to the Carb... This
> > > > > > might cure the top end lean out
> > > > > > > > > > problem....
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Lots to do and NO TIME.... Perfect.. I
> > > > > > love Pressure.... Keith
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: John Beckett
> > > > > > <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > > > > > > > > > To: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>;
> > > > > > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 7:55 PM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Questions
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Keith
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Have you sorted out the miss in the
> > > > > > "C" motor when you were on the
> > > > > > > > Dyno?
> > > > > > > > > > > When will you take it back for a full
> > > > > > test at 7,000+ RPM. Have you
> > > > > > > > > > received
> > > > > > > > > > > your nitrous system yet? Anxious to
> > > > > > hear what it does on the dyno.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
> > > > > > > > > > > To: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 6:59 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Air Ride Tech
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >     Well I have ordered some parts
> > > > > > today to change the air ride
> > > > > > > > around
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > bit....
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > up to this point the front and rear
> > > > > > have been combined
> > > > > > systems....
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > words I could only change the front
> > > > > > bags or the rear as a
> > > > > > unit....
> > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > have coming is a single controller
> > > > > > that I am going to put on the
> > > > > > > > Front
> > > > > > > > > > > > system and I am going to seperate
> > > > > > the two rear bags so that I
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > Jack
> > > > > > > > > > > > weight into the car left to right
> > > > > > on the rear end....  Don't
> > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > plan
> > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > changing the basic set up much but
> > > > > > I thought I would share the
> > > > > > > > > Change...
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I am also still trying to figure
> > > > > > out how to capture the
> > > > > > Pressures
> > > > > > > > ....
> > > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > > the increase in pressure on the
> > > > > > gage represents downforce on the
> > > > > > > > > car...
> > > > > >
> > > > > === message truncated ===
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > =====
> > > > > .............................
> > > > > ..........Dick J.............
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