Guess I should proof read before I email, damn, this ""but anything with a 1
in
front of it
would have worked this trip."" should have been ANYTHING WITH A 2 IN FRONT OF
IT, Joe (feeling as wonderful as I did after the "pop!pop!" at WOS)
Amo
:)
Joe Amo wrote:
> Keith my man, well said. I/Jon and I are very similar, we wanted a 2 hat
>and
> to go fast as well, fast being relative, but anything with a 1 in front of it
> would have worked this trip. And yes we to are proud of our shoestring
>budget,
> but gotta admit, like you learned a new word (or 2) like aluminum for heads
>and
> Rodeck for blocks, this trek to our endavor of pursuing speed taught us a new
> word, CARRILLO, for rods. 191.8 was the record, we ran 198.555 off the
>trailer
> in the FIRST mile. Went to impound, and in morning broke a rod before I got
> past the 1.3 mile marker. Upon further inspection, (after the fire from the
>rod
> exiting the cases and melting some new bodywork and wiring) we found the
> remaining 3 rods ALL severely bent AND twisted.
>
> But according to Dahlgren at least we are getting close to "Racey" nitrous
> usage, motor made between 90-103 hp normally aspirated, and we gave it a 130hp
> shot (for awhile). The thing was we also made these runs on stock rods that
>had
> over 22,000 street miles and nitrous runs at Bonneville since 94.
>
> Anyway the trip was worth it for many reasons. Primarily because of the
>ability
> to learn. I have never been much of a spectator at anything, thank god I had
>to
> suck it up a little and hang out the last 2 days, because pestering you and
> Timney and Beckett, and Lionel was very enjoyable. And the highlight had to
>be
> bouncing things off Dahlgrens head, that really meant alot to me Mr. Dahlgren,
> ALOT. Thanks everybody
>
> Joe (thanks to WOS I got to learn about Carrillos one year sooner) Amo :)
>
> Keith Turk wrote:
>
> > Ahhh the Truth Be Told..... The Record.... Held by Steve Batchelor at
> > 230.354 and we went 228.304 .... that having been said.... hmmm 2 + mph
> > difference.... and Yep that is Fairly fast.. damn near racey... only 15mph
> > short of Racey in Dave's opinoin
> >
> > Fun was had by all....no doubt What hurts is the Truth in all of it... We
> > were out there with Average equipment and did as good as could be done...
> > Had I spent the 600 bucks on these new heads instead of running Old JUNK...
> > well maybe the outcome would have been different... or had I dry sumped the
> > Rodeck in the first Place I wouldn't have been worried about 4 miles an
> > hour... and we could have spent more time in impound and less out there in
> > the Cold working our butt's off trying to get something done that was about
> > impossible...
> >
> > the one thing that is hard to put into words... is just how much I hate
> > loosing... or not doing what I set out to do...It just doesnt' set well
> > with me.... I can have a good attitude about all of it...and I am not a sore
> > looser... but I didn't go out there to go fairly fast...
> >
> > One of the Best things about Dave is that he has the exact same attitude...
> > neither one of us will leave a Stone unturned ... we will both mull this
> > over and run it through our minds until we are sick of it.... Honestly I
> > think that is what it takes to win..... That and to never let your mistakes
> > go un-fixed... Brad is the same way... I try always to surround myself
> > with folks that don't share my opinoins.... and Winners...
> >
> > Keith
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "dahlgren" <dahlgren@uconect.net>
> > To: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
> > Cc: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>; "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer@earthlink.net>;
> > "Ken Bond" <kmb2@humboldt.edu>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 6:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: Time to stop lurking :-)
> >
> > > Glad to Joe... My version of run like stink generally involes breaking a
> > > record.. Kieth we went fairly fast on a good course... No record no
> > > hat...about 4 under the record if I remeber right.. and it is all
> > > relative to the record.. A h/production car going 140 on a 130 record
> > > runs like stink..a D/FALT running 228 on a 230 is going fairly fast at
> > > best and at worst burning gas and making some noise...
> > > A ton of nitrous.... A ton of nitrous is when you are sure that with the
> > > current jetting that you will break the crank at the 3 and then jet it
> > > up another 100 hp just to make sure you set the record with the broken
> > > crank..it is realative to the power output of the engine too in my
> > > mind..a 300hp 120 inch engine with 150 hit has a lot of nitrous one with
> > > 250 hp or more has a ton.. LOL anything over 50% or what the engine
> > > makes already gets you into the racey catagory. A 200 hit on a 550
> > > engine is just a little 'help'. But we did have as much fun as you can
> > > have without setting a record and it was a good vacation for me to get
> > > away from serious racing.. LOL
> > > All in good fun, as always,
> > > Dave
> > > Joe Amo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dave Dahlgren, oh Dave, did you see this from Turk? ""We made that 298
> > Cast Iron
> > > > Motor run like Stink with a Ton of Nitrous...""
> > > >
> > > > Dave D. could you please define (for Keith) what "run like stink" and
> > "tons of
> > > > nitrous" mean?? Joe :)
> > > >
> > > > Keith Turk wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Okay Ken.... Lets get this Right.... Jon is the fella that Favors
> > round
> > > > > Bottomed boys in Sailer Suits... and Glenn well..... We just don't
> > check his
> > > > > ..... Wait a Min... I still gotta get a time slip....
> > > > >
> > > > > in answer to your question.... of earlier here are my favorite
> > combinations
> > > > > for a D Motor...
> > > > >
> > > > > 2.94 stroke and a 4.whatever bore.... gets you out to 4.060.... at
> > 304.5
> > > > > cubes...
> > > > >
> > > > > My 2.9 stroke 4.040 is a nice one too... just a bit small
> > > > > but it again allows you to go out to 4.060 on a standard Block...
> > > > >
> > > > > The Rodeck is a 4.125 bore with a 2.8 stroke... and yeah it's a 300
> > inch
> > > > > motor also....But I can bore it if I want...
> > > > >
> > > > > Heads.... Like I said yesterday.. these Cheap ole Dart 230's seem to
> > be
> > > > > Better then my old High Dollar Hogans... ( just like Dave told me they
> > would
> > > > > be... yeah I know.. I hate that Too.... but at least I admit when
> > someone is
> > > > > Right.... unlike Jon.... who is going to deny the sailer suit
> > thing....
> > > > > TRUST ME on this I know) Brad has been doing his home work on the
> > Aluminum
> > > > > Version of this Head.... and It sounds like a Better deal...
> > > > >
> > > > > We made that 298 Cast Iron Motor run like Stink with a Ton of
> > Nitrous...
> > > > > sure is a shame you can't run some in the GT Class....( hey Dan... how
> > come
> > > > > they don't have a Fuel Class for GT and MS?)( yeah I am into Stirring
> > the
> > > > > Pot tonight)
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith ( who is up for a Weedeater Discussion )
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer@earthlink.net>
> > > > > To: "Ken Bond" <kmb2@humboldt.edu>
> > > > > Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 6:48 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Time to stop lurking :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > > Ken
> > > > > > welcome aboard, but watch out for Keith he's strange & makes fake
> > rocks.
> > > > > Enjoy
> > > > > > the group.
> > > > > > Myself I do the timing at the lakes and Salt.
> > > > > > Glen
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ken Bond wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > HI, My name is Ken Bond... I have been reading for about a month
> > now
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > figure since I sent out a quick e-mail yesterday about scatter
> > shields,
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > better say hello. (side note... consensus on the scatter shield
> > > > > question
> > > > > > > is NO, it would not pass tech)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm a mid-50's university prof who comes from a Chev background.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A friend and myself are trying to set a record over 200 in D/GT.
> > We
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > an 85 Corvette ALL apart and are just getting started on roll
> > cages,
> > > > > etc.
> > > > > > > We will be building a SB 302 engine to power the car as time
> > passes and
> > > > > > > parts can be found/bought.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Our current biggest 'car' issues are Roll Cage and how to put a
> > > > > non-quick
> > > > > > > change read-end under the back of the car in place of the
> > independent
> > > > > rear
> > > > > > > suspension. Any ideas/suggestions are always welcome. (Thanks to
> > Ed
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > some comments already in private e-mails)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Our current biggest 'engine' issue is to ramp up the learning
> > curve of
> > > > > "D"
> > > > > > > Chev. engines in general. (Thanks to Keith for a wonderful phone
> > call
> > > > > > > yesterday). ANY comments/suggestions/ or engine building
> > > > > > > experiences/advice one might like to sent along would also be most
> > > > > > > appreciated.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for all the 'welcomes.' Looking forward to putting faces
> > to the
> > > > > > > names on the salt.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > KEN
> > > > > > >
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