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RE: Counterfeit bolts

To: "Albaugh, Neil" <albaugh_neil@ti.com>
Subject: RE: Counterfeit bolts
From: Ed Van Scoy <ed@vetteracing.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:20:46 -0700
I would think shooting them would still be too lenient..... I
was just curious how you spotted them if they had the correct
(but bogus) markings on the heads?????
Ed


---- Original message ----
>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:46:38 -0500 
>From: "Albaugh, Neil" <albaugh_neil@ti.com>  
>Subject: RE: Counterfeit bolts  
>To: "'Doug Odom'" <popms@thegrid.net>, Ed Van Scoy
<ed@vetteracing.com>
>Cc: "Bryan A. Savage Jr" <basavage@earthlink.net>, DrMayf
<drmayf@teknett.com>, LSR List <land-speed@autox.team.net>
>
>Ed;
>
>The gov't and aircraft industry are very picky about
"certs"-- not the
>mints, the Certification paperwork that establishes that the
fasteners are
>what they claim to be.
>
>Some time ago there were some unscrupulous people importing
bolts from
>questionable sources and selling them as fully MIL- SPEC
fasteners. There
>were failures and these were traced to inferior materials &
workmanship as
>well as improper heat-treatment. 
>
>People who knowingly sold those bolts should have been shot,
not sent to
>prison. Can you imagine what could have happened to a 747
full of bogus
>sub-standard bolts?
>
>Regards, Neil     Tucson, AZ
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Doug Odom [mailto:popms@thegrid.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 3:53 PM
>To: Ed Van Scoy
>Cc: Bryan A. Savage Jr; DrMayf; LSR List
>Subject: Re: Counterfeit bolts
>
>
>    One of our sponsors is Coast Nut and Bolt in Grover
Beach, Ca.
>    I asked him about  counterfeit bolts. He told me that
there are several
>people in federal prisons right now because of that. Seems
that if you sell
>bolts to the government they get really pissed if they are
not what you say
>they
>are. If you look on the higher quality bolts you should see
some kind of
>vender/quality control marking. He sells to PG & E for the
nuclear power
>plant
>and San Luis Obispo county. So he has paper work on every
fastener he sells.
>So
>it should not be to hard to find non-counterfeit fasteners in
your area.
>Doug
>Odom in big ditch
>
>Ed Van Scoy wrote:
>
>> Ditto,  I would like to here more about this as well.
>> Ed
>>
>> >Counterfeit bolts were a nightmare for me back in the late
>> '80's. I went
>> >to great lengths to make sure of my source.
>> >I haven't seen any discussion of the subject lately, my gut
>> feel is that
>> >it's still something to be paranoid about.
>> >Can you folks please update me?
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >Bryan
>> >
>> >DrMayf wrote:
>> >
>> > But for a Bonneville car...prolly not... I would
>> >> worry more about counterfit bolts.

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