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Re: Twincam Brakes - to liner or not to liner

To: mgatwincam@egroups.com, mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: Twincam Brakes - to liner or not to liner
From: WSpohn4@aol.com
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:10:04 EDT
In a message dated 4/10/99 6:29:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
mgatwincam@egroups.com writes:

<< I'm on your side Bill. Just not 100% sold on pressed in liners. Have heard
 the stories of slippage as well but don't know anybody who has had it happen
 to them.  >>

I wouldn't hesitate to try it on the street cars, but I have enough on my 
mind as I mentally weigh the exact moment to nail the brakes at speed, going 
into a downhill hairpin, without nagging doubts about the brakes.

Maybe the reason that I am a little gun-shy is that some years ago, I was in 
just that situation, going into a corner at close on 130 mph, and nailed the 
brakes. So far so good, but what happened then was a little annoying. The 
Twincam brake pistons use an aluminum seal retaining plate that is held to 
the piston by two screws which are locked by little conical lockwashers.  One 
of my screws had worked out as the lockwasher had fractured and fallen off.  
The screw was held between the back of the calliper bore and the piston by 
the tight clearance, until the pad wear reached a point where under extreme 
braking, the screw fell out and lodged behind the piston.

Net result was that when I let off the brakes, all but that cylinder 
released. I might have been able to control it, except for a friend in a 
Morgan, who was right in front of me. I had to let it spin, probably at only 
about 50 mph, and wound up backward against an Armco barrier with one door 
torn off and a slash in my seat 2 inches from my arm.

Ever since, I refuse to race with anything other than the later pattern 
Dunlop pistons, with the backing plate pressed/peened onto the piston. It may 
not make much difference, but I swear I can go just that little bit deeper 
into the corners knowing that I have eliminated at least one of the things 
that can screw up.

It strikes me about the linered pistons, that you are introducing another 
variable that may or may not be significant, but that it is better in 
principal to avoid such uncertainty, at least in the systems essential to 
life (mine and the car's).

I am copying this to the MG list as some of them might be interested in 
Dunlop brake stuff.

I would add that I have never done the hard chroming on small cylinders like 
the master (I use a tandem cylinder and balance bar), so I don't know if it 
is possible to do on small diameter stuff. The result on the calliper halves 
was quite thick, and required regrinding to size - the same effect as liners, 
except that the metal is electroplated instead of being glued.

A friend who is a crack machinist once made up some new stainless calliper 
halves that used a Datsun seal kit, with stainless pistons for his E type. 
Beautiful work and very effective. When Lofty England was out here and saw 
them he just harrumphed and asked why he bothered! Different strokes, I guess.

Bill Spohn
Vancouver

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