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Re: [Mgs] No Go Mystery

To: MG List <mgs@autox.team.net>, "Robert J. Guinness via Mgs" <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] No Go Mystery
From: Mark via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 08:24:21 -0500
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    <p><tt>A few years back there was a bad run of ignition rotors
        released that fit many Brit distributors.  They would develop a
        spark path from the contact to the post grounding out the high
        voltage stopping the engine.  It was so bad that I had two fail
        and then carried several spares. I ended up handing them out to
        three friends that had on the road failures.  I finally found
        another brand that didn't have the problem but the name on the
        box has nothing to do with who made it.  However it seems that
        the one made by Airtex/Wells (RockAuto 4R1187 $3.45) was
        different and has worked well.  Now this may have nothing to do
        with your problem but the symptoms are similar enough to mention
        it.  Good luck!<br>
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    <p><tt>Mark <br>
      </tt></p>
    <p><tt>Nashville</tt><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/4/2016 7:25 AM, Gordie Bird via
      Mgs wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">I?ve seen the coil fail intermittently,
          seems fine when cold, but fails when warm.  You have coil
          mounted on inner fender or bracket (like 1600), right? 
          Unlikely all plug wires would fail at same time, but,  if the
          coil wire was bad?</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Have you checked spark once coil heats up? 
          Weak coil possibly producing a weak or no spark when hot?</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Sudden failure as you describe; to me would
          indicate something in the electrics.</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I?d throw my spare coil, then condenser,
          then coil wire at it and see what happens.</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Good luck!</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Gordie</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">?62 MGA<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><b>From:
            </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";>Robert J. Guinness via
              Mgs</a><br>
            <b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, May 3, 2016 8:05 PM<br>
            <b>To: </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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            <b>Subject: </b>[Mgs] No Go Mystery</p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,serif">While on a long drive in the hinterlands
            of KY in my 1960 MGA with a 3-main 1800 MGB engine, I nearly
            ran out of gas after about 170 miles that day.  I found a
            gas station and refueled (the gas had alcohol and I usually
            run non-alcohol gas).  About 30 miles later, the car started
            to lose power and then quit. Figured it was a clogged fuel
            line, but fuel was pumping out of the fuel line at the rear
            carb and there was gas in both float bowls. Cleaned out both
            float bowls.  Had spark from the coil and to all plugs.  Had
            just replaced spark plugs and gapped them to spec two days
            previously. Regapped points (1 year old 25D distributor).
            Nothing.  Sprayed starting fluid in the carbs.  Nothing.
            Locals towed me back to town. Locals played with wires under
            the bonnet at the coil as I politely batted them away.  As a
            last ditch effort, I advanced the timing and it caught at
            high revs!  Drove a few miles, but lost power as I
            accelerated and stopped.  Stripped and reattached coil wire
            to harness.  Started, drove a couple of miles, faded, and
            stopped. Towed it home.  At home, it started reluctantly. 
            It drove for a couple of miles and it faded and quit. Gas 
            in rear carb float bowl but no gas at the front carb float
            bowl. Blew air from fuel pump back to gas tank with audible
            air flow at the gas tank.  Replaced the float bowl needle
            and seat at the front carb.  Fuel pumping nicely at both
            front and rear carbs.  Have spark from the coil and to all
            plugs. Static timed.  Nothing, doesn't even try to catch. I
            do not have a fuel filter other than stock sleeve in the
            fuel pump. No odd sounds. I am stupefied ( except for the
            possibility of clogged jets, but if so why wouldn?t it start
            with starter fluid).  If it is the coil or condensor, why am
            I getting spark?  Why would advancing the timing get it to
            go at such high revs that one time, but normal timing gives
            you nothing at all, not even a spit? Do I have a cam flat
            spot problem? How have I angered the British engineering
            gods?  Any hints or diagnostic suggestions?  I have also
            posted to the MG experience folks</span><span
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Robert
          Guinness</p>
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