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To: Max Heim <mvheim@sonic.net>, MG List <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] oil
From: Charley Robinson via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 11:38:31 -0500
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Okay but you said "lack of detergents" and to me that says no detergents 
because it's the most common usage of the word.

CR

On 6/19/2019 11:27 AM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
> Quote from the first paragraph of the FAQ:
>
> The Valvoline VR1 Racing and other racing oils 
> <https://www.valvoline.com/our-products/motor-oil> not intended for 
> passenger vehicles contain additional additives for increased 
> horsepower and reduced friction on metal parts, provide extra wear 
> protection for high compression/higher horsepower engines, and include 
> _fewer detergents_ than regular conventional motor oils.
>
> So, that answers that question. If you change your oil frequently, it 
> probably isnâ??t a problem, though.
>
> I have used racing oil in the transmission, however, because reduced 
> friction and wear protection are relevant concepts, and detergent is 
> pointless (since no combustion blow-by).
>
>
>
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>
>
>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 8:37 AM, Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com 
>>
>> VR1 contains an additive package. I would hope there's a detergent in 
>> it, because it's what I'm using.
>>   Viz: https://www.valvoline.com/about-us/faq/racing-oil-faq
>>
>> CR
>>
>> On 6/17/2019 5:06 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
>>>
>>> Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil is one (although it may be non-optimal for 
>>> other reasons, such as lack of detergent)
>>> Mobil1 Synthetic 15W50 (this weight ONLY in this brand)
>>> Certain weights from Kendall, Royal Purple, Gibbs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Max Heim
>>> '66 MGB
>>>
>>>> On Jun 17, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Bert Palte via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net 
>>>>
>>>> Yes, also over here in Europe it has become less easily available.
>>>> If nothing else is available, 10W40 will do.
>>>> I use mineral oil. That is good enough, our cars aren't high tech!
>>>>
>>>> Bert
>>>> 70 B
>>>> SA4BRL
>>>> PA0LPS
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>> On 2019-06-17, 23:19 dave via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net 
>>>>
>>>>     Iâ??ve been using Valvoline 20w 50 full synthetic for several
>>>>     years now, and it used to be immediately available from Amazon
>>>>     with free shipping.  It has zddp.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Now its 1 to 2 months.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     However â?? Advanced Auto Parts
>>>>     
>>>> -https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     free shipping with a minimum order of $25, which is 3 quarts. 
>>>>     You can buy it any number of quarts (from Amazon itâ??s a 6
>>>>     pack), and itâ??s a couple pennies cheaper!!!
>>>>
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    Okay but you said "lack of detergents" and to me that says no
    detergents because it's the most common usage of the word.<br>
    <br>
    CR   <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/19/2019 11:27 AM, Max Heim via Mgs
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:A82F8572-9D2B-4E26-B242-9A060A2E9D34@sonic.net">
      <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      Quote from the first paragraph of the FAQ:
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class=""><span style="color: rgb(125, 126, 126); font-family:
          Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16.799999237060547px;
          background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);" class="">The Valvoline
          VR1 Racing and other </span><a id="lnkRacingOils"
          href="https://www.valvoline.com/our-products/motor-oil";
          style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;
          border: none; color: rgb(25, 25, 25); font-family: Helvetica,
          Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16.799999237060547px;" class=""
          moz-do-not-send="true">racing oils</a><span style="color:
          rgb(125, 126, 126); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
          font-size: 16.799999237060547px; background-color: rgb(254,
          254, 254);" class=""> not intended for passenger vehicles
          contain additional additives for increased horsepower and
          reduced friction on metal parts, provide extra wear protection
          for high compression/higher horsepower engines, and include <u
            class="">fewer detergents</u> than regular conventional
          motor oils.</span></div>
      <div class=""><span style="color: rgb(125, 126, 126); font-family:
          Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16.799999237060547px;
          background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);" class=""><br class="">
        </span></div>
      <div class="">So, that answers that question. If you change your
        oil frequently, it probably isnâ??t a problem, though.</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">I have used racing oil in the transmission, however,
        because reduced friction and wear protection are relevant
        concepts, and detergent is pointless (since no combustion
        blow-by).</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">
        <div class="">
          <div class=""><br class="">
          </div>
        </div>
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              <div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" class="">--</div>
              <div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; min-height:
                16px;" class="">Max Heim</div>
              <div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" class="">'66
                MGB</div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
        <div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder">
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        <br class="">
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          <blockquote type="cite" class="">
            <div class="">On Jun 19, 2019, at 8:37 AM, Charley Robinson
              &lt;<a href="mailto:Charley38@twc.com"; class=""
                moz-do-not-send="true">Charley38@twc.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
            <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
            <div class="">
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                charset=UTF-8" class="">
              <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""> VR1
                contains an additive package. I would hope there's a
                detergent in it, because it's what I'm using. <br
                  class="">
                  Viz: <a
                  href="https://www.valvoline.com/about-us/faq/racing-oil-faq";
                  class="" 
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.valvoline.com/about-us/faq/racing-oil-faq</a><br
                  class="">
                <br class="">
                CR<br class="">
                <br class="">
                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/17/2019 5:06 PM, Max
                  Heim via Mgs wrote:<br class="">
                </div>
                <blockquote type="cite"
                  cite="mid:303432D7-3DF9-4BB4-8756-DDBF441460C0@sonic.net"
                  class="">
                  <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
                    charset=UTF-8" class="">
                  <div class=""><br class="">
                  </div>
                  <div class="">Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil is one
                    (although it may be non-optimal for other reasons,
                    such as lack of detergent)</div>
                  <div class="">Mobil1 Synthetic 15W50 (this weight ONLY
                    in this brand)</div>
                  <div class="">Certain weights from Kendall, Royal
                    Purple, Gibbs<br class="">
                    <div class=""><br class="">
                    </div>
                    <br class="">
                    <div class=""><br class="">
                      <div class="">
                        <div style="letter-spacing: normal; text-align:
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                          class="">
                          <div style="letter-spacing: normal;
                            text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
                            text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                            word-spacing: 0px;
                            -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap:
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                            -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"
                            class="">
                            <div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;"
                              class="">--</div>
                            <div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;
                              min-height: 16px;" class="">Max Heim</div>
                            <div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;"
                              class="">'66 MGB</div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <br class="">
                      <div class="">
                        <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                          <div class="">On Jun 17, 2019, at 2:47 PM,
                            Bert Palte via Mgs &lt;<a
                              href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; class=""
                              moz-do-not-send="true">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
                            wrote:</div>
                          <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
                          <div class="">
                            <div class="mail_android_message"
                              style="font-family: Verdana; font-size:
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                              text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                              word-spacing: 0px;
                              -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
                              line-height: 1; padding: 0.5em;">Yes, also
                              over here in Europe it has become less
                              easily available.<br class="">
                              If nothing else is available, 10W40 will
                              do.<br class="">
                              I use mineral oil. That is good enough,
                              our cars aren't high tech!<br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              Bert<span 
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                                class="">
                              70 B<span 
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                                class="">
                              SA4BRL<span 
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                                class="">
                              PA0LPS<br class="">
                              --<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                                class="">
                              Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail.
                              Please excuse my brevity.</div>
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                              style="font-family: Verdana; font-size:
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                              -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
                              line-height: 1; padding: 0.3em;">On
                              2019-06-17, 23:19 dave via Mgs &lt;<a
                                href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";
                                style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);
                                text-decoration: underline;" class=""
                                
moz-do-not-send="true">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
                              wrote:
                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                style="margin: 0.8ex 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;
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                                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                                    font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                                    Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Iâ??ve
                                    been using Valvoline 20w 50 full
                                    synthetic for several years now, and
                                    it used to be immediately available
                                    from Amazon with free shipping.  It
                                    has zddp.</div>
                                  <div class=""><br
                                      class="webkit-block-placeholder">
                                  </div>
                                  <div class=""> <br
                                      class="webkit-block-placeholder">
                                  </div>
                                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                                    font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                                    Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Now
                                    its 1 to 2 months.</div>
                                  <div class=""><br
                                      class="webkit-block-placeholder">
                                  </div>
                                  <div class=""> <br
                                      class="webkit-block-placeholder">
                                  </div>
                                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                                    font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                                    Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">However
                                    â?? Advanced Auto Parts -<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic";
                                      style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);
                                      text-decoration: underline;"
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moz-do-not-send="true">https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic</a></div>
                                  <div class=""><br
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                                  </div>
                                  <div class=""> <br
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                                  </div>
                                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                                    font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                                    Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">free
                                    shipping with a minimum order of
                                    $25, which is 3 quarts.  You can buy
                                    it any number of quarts (from Amazon
                                    itâ??s a 6 pack), and itâ??s a couple
                                    pennies cheaper!!!</div>
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                                  <div class=""> <br
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