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Re: [Mgs] 1980 MGB engine removal

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Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1980 MGB engine removal
From: Max Heim <mvheim@sonic.net>
Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 09:29:00 -0700
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Obviously, both methods are possible; they have different advantages and =
problems.

The workshop manual knows what it is talking about and lays out all the =
steps. If you choose another method it is up to you to work out the =
order of assembly issues.

Yes, if you pull both there are few extra items to remove, but not many: =
shift lever, reverse switch wire, OD wires if present, crossmember & =
trans mount bolts, speedo cable. You also need to raise the car enough =
for the tailshaft to tilt in.

If you pull just the engine, you have to do all the fiddly stuff =
(aligning the clutch, undoing and refitting the engine-trans bolts) =
under the car with limited access, so you have to raise the car anyway.

Sometimes it works like a charm, but on occasion the clutch just won't =
align and you can spend hours mucking with it, squandering any time you =
=E2=80=9Csaved=E2=80=9D.

I just did an engine install with the transmission in place (not on an =
MG), and it took almost two hours to get the engine aligned to the =
torque converter. We did it that way at the insistence of my buddy (it =
was his garage and his lift, although it was my car), but I really think =
we would have been better off doing it my way, with both together. The =
reason I went along was I was afraid his hoist couldn=E2=80=99t lift the =
combo high enough to clear the nose of the car. That isn=E2=80=99t =
really a problem with the low slung MG.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB



> On May 18, 2021, at 9:08 AM, mghirsch@netzero.net wrote:
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> It is possible.  But I have found it easier to pull Both together.  =
Especially when mating it up to the tranny. =20
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: S.Carr <britfan1@epix.net>
> To: MGs <mgs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Mgs] 1980 MGB engine removal
> Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 20:09:08 -0400
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> The workshop manual recommends removing the engine and gearbox as one =
unit.=C3=82  Has anyone had success removing the engine while leaving =
the gearbox in place?=C3=82  All bell housing bolts appear accessible, =
and a friend would love to not have to remove the console, carpet, =
gearshift, driveshaft, etc., to get the engine out--the head has serious =
problems, and he fears the block will too.
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> =20
> Thanks,
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> Sarah Carr
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Obviously, both methods are possible; they have different =
advantages and problems.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">The workshop manual knows what it is talking about and lays =
out all the steps. If you choose another method it is up to you to work =
out the order of assembly issues.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Yes, if you pull both there are few =
extra items to remove, but not many: shift lever, reverse switch wire, =
OD wires if present, crossmember &amp; trans mount bolts, speedo cable. =
You also need to raise the car enough for the tailshaft to tilt =
in.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">If you =
pull just the engine, you have to do all the fiddly stuff (aligning the =
clutch, undoing and refitting the engine-trans bolts) under the car with =
limited access, so you have to raise the car anyway.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Sometimes it works like =
a charm, but on occasion the clutch just won't align and you can spend =
hours mucking with it, squandering any time you =E2=80=9Csaved=E2=80=9D.</=
div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I just did an =
engine install with the transmission in place (not on an MG), and it =
took almost two hours to get the engine aligned to the torque converter. =
We did it that way at the insistence of my buddy (it was his garage and =
his lift, although it was my car), but I really think we would have been =
better off doing it my way, with both together. The reason I went along =
was I was afraid his hoist couldn=E2=80=99t lift the combo high enough =
to clear the nose of the car. That isn=E2=80=99t really a problem with =
the low slung MG.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
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<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On May 18, 2021, at 9:08 AM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:mghirsch@netzero.net"; class=3D"">mghirsch@netzero.net</a> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">It is possible.&nbsp; But I have found it easier to pull Both =
together.&nbsp; Especially when mating it up to the =
tranny.&nbsp;&nbsp;<br class=3D"">---------- Original Message =
----------<br class=3D"">From: S.Carr &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:britfan1@epix.net"; class=3D"">britfan1@epix.net</a>&gt;<br =
class=3D"">To: MGs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br class=3D"">Subject: [Mgs] 1980 =
MGB engine removal<br class=3D"">Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 20:09:08 =
-0400<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">The workshop manual recommends removing the engine =
and gearbox as one unit.=C3=82&nbsp; Has anyone had success removing the =
engine while leaving the gearbox in place?=C3=82&nbsp; All bell housing =
bolts appear accessible, and a friend would love to <em =
class=3D"">not</em> have to remove the console, carpet, gearshift, =
driveshaft, etc., to get the engine out--the head has serious problems, =
and he fears the block will too.</p><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sarah Carr</p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=CB=9C71 B/GT in PA</p><div =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
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