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Another option would be the heat shrink hose clamp such as a Gates Powergri=
p
https://www.gates.com/us/en/fluid-power/engine-hose/hose-clamps-amp-couplin=
gs/gates-powergrip-sb-clamp/p/7405-000000-000000
Summit and Jegs both have this style of clamp in a variety of sizes.
Brian Warrick
Nampa, ID
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From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of john niolon=
via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 8:39 PM
To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] alternate use for PEX fittings
I'm trying to install heater lines to my vintage air a/c unit in my truck p=
roject. I'm hampered by access because I filled in the ash tray and the glo=
ve box. And my bulkhead plate and fittings are not where vintage air routes=
their stuff so their pre-bent tubes don't go where I need them to.
First I tried 5/8" hose and it was too thick to get thru the space I have..=
. then 1/2 tube with the same result.. Last try was 1/2" SS tubing bent in =
desired shape with tubing on each end to attaching fittings, which is gonna=
work with one exception... I'm having to reduce from 5/8" tube to 1/2" and=
add an adapter. That's not a problem but all the clamping is the problem. =
Typical screw clamps take up a lot of room and are hindering my route. I=92=
m having to go around the end of the a/c unit next to the kick panel and it=
's tight over there. There is no room for the clamps where I need them. I =
started researching other clamping solutions and came up with two ideas..
#1 is pex type clamps... either single or double crimp... they work for plu=
mbing at higher pressure than radiator hose and I've used them for air line=
s with good success..
#2 option is using wire clamps from a clamptite tool. this tool is easy to =
fabricate (and not spend 60 bucks) and from what I've seen at the car shows=
they do make a nice tight secure clamp on the hoses... using stainless ste=
el wire .062 ..
so a question for the plumbers/pipefitters that have worked with PEX... if =
I use standard barbed fittings do you think the Pex crimp type clamps will =
hold and be leak proof... this will be in an non-accessible place when comp=
lete so I=92m looking for foolproof.
I=92m looking at the Oeitker clamps since they seem more robust than the st=
andard single crimp Home Depot variety
oetiker link<https://www.oetiker.com/en/Products/Clamps-and-rings/Ear-Clamp=
s>
the other option is the Crimptite wire clamps
clamp tite example<https://aircraft-tool.com/shop/detail.aspx?id=3DCLT01&As=
pxAutoDetectCookieSupport=3D1>
these will also clamp down tightly as you can see by the examples online. A=
nd, using SS wire should make it even better....
experience ?? opinion ?? guesses ?? all welcome
thanks
john
https://jniolon.classicpickup.com/
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Brian Warrick</div>
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<b>To:</b> shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] alternate use for PEX fittings</font>
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<div><font face=3D"Verdana"><font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-family:; w=
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xt-indent:0px; font-variant-ligatures:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; tex=
t-decoration-style:initial; text-decoration-color:initial"><font color=3D"#=
222222">I'm
trying to install heater lines to my vintage air a/c unit in my truck proj=
ect. I'm hampered by access because I filled in the ash tray and the glove =
box. And my bulkhead plate and fittings are not where vintage air routes th=
eir stuff so their pre-bent tubes
don't go where I need them to.</font></span><br style=3D"box-sizing:border=
-box; font-size:13px; font-family:verdana,geneva,lucida,"lucida grande=
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eva,lucida,"lucida grande",arial,helvetica,sans-serif; white-spac=
e:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-transform:none; font-weight:400; color:rgb=
(34,34,34); font-style:normal; orphans:2; widows:2; letter-spacing:normal; =
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ation-color:initial">
</font><font size=3D"2"><font color=3D"#222222"><span style=3D"font-family:=
; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-transform:none; float:none; co=
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text-indent:0px; font-variant-ligatures:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; =
text-decoration-style:initial; text-decoration-color:initial">First
I tried 5/8" hose and it was too thick to get thru the space I have..=
. then 1/2 tube with the same result.. Last try was 1/2" SS tubing ben=
t in desired shape with tubing on each end to attaching fittings, which is =
gonna work with one exception... I'm having
to reduce from 5/8" tube to 1/2" and add an adapter. That's not =
a problem but all the clamping is the problem. Typical screw clamps take up=
a lot of room and are hindering my route. I=92m having to go around the en=
d of the a/c unit next to the kick panel and
it's tight over there. There is no room for the clamps where I need them.&=
nbsp; I started researching other clamping solutions and came up with two i=
deas..</span><br style=3D"box-sizing:border-box; font-size:13px; font-famil=
y:verdana,geneva,lucida,"lucida grande",arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-transform:none; font-weight:4=
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cing:normal; background-color:rgb(255,255,255); text-indent:0px; font-varia=
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<br style=3D"box-sizing:border-box; font-size:13px; font-family:verdana,gen=
eva,lucida,"lucida grande",arial,helvetica,sans-serif; white-spac=
e:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-transform:none; font-weight:400; color:rgb=
(34,34,34); font-style:normal; orphans:2; widows:2; letter-spacing:normal; =
background-color:rgb(255,255,255); text-indent:0px; font-variant-ligatures:=
normal; font-variant-caps:normal; text-decoration-style:initial; text-decor=
ation-color:initial">
</font><span style=3D"font-family:; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; t=
ext-transform:none; float:none; color:; orphans:2; widows:2; display:inline=
!important; letter-spacing:normal; text-indent:0px; font-variant-ligatures:=
normal; font-variant-caps:normal; text-decoration-style:initial; text-decor=
ation-color:initial"><font color=3D"#222222">#1
is pex type clamps... either single or double crimp... they work for plumb=
ing at higher pressure than radiator hose and I've used them for air lines =
with good success..</font></span></font></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-family:; white-space:normal=
; word-spacing:0px; text-transform:none; float:none; color:; orphans:2; wid=
ows:2; display:inline!important; letter-spacing:normal; text-indent:0px; fo=
nt-variant-ligatures:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; text-decoration-styl=
e:initial; text-decoration-color:initial"><font color=3D"#222222" size=3D"2=
"></font></span></font> </div>
<div><font size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-family:; w=
hite-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-transform:none; float:none; color=
:; orphans:2; widows:2; display:inline!important; letter-spacing:normal; te=
xt-indent:0px; font-variant-ligatures:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; tex=
t-decoration-style:initial; text-decoration-color:initial"><font color=3D"#=
222222">#2
option is using wire clamps from a clamptite tool. this tool is easy to fa=
bricate (and not spend 60 bucks) and from what I've seen at the car shows t=
hey do make a nice tight secure clamp on the hoses... using stainless steel=
wire .062 .</font></span></font><font face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font=
-family:; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-transform:none; float:=
none; color:; orphans:2; widows:2; display:inline!important; letter-spacing=
:normal; text-indent:0px; font-variant-ligatures:normal; font-variant-caps:=
normal; text-decoration-style:initial; text-decoration-color:initial"><font=
color=3D"#222222">.</font></span></font></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#222222" size=3D"2" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-transform:none; float=
:none; color:; orphans:2; widows:2; display:inline!important; letter-spacin=
g:normal; text-indent:0px; font-variant-ligatures:normal; font-variant-caps=
:normal; text-decoration-style:initial; text-decoration-color:initial"></sp=
an></font> </div>
<div><font color=3D"#222222" size=3D"2" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-transform:none; float=
:none; color:; orphans:2; widows:2; display:inline!important; letter-spacin=
g:normal; text-indent:0px; font-variant-ligatures:normal; font-variant-caps=
:normal; text-decoration-style:initial; text-decoration-color:initial">so
a question for the plumbers/pipefitters that have worked with PEX... if I =
use standard barbed fittings do you think the Pex crimp type clamps will ho=
ld and be leak proof... this will be in an non-accessible place when comple=
te so I=92m looking for foolproof.
</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#222222" size=3D"2" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-transform:none; float=
:none; color:; orphans:2; widows:2; display:inline!important; letter-spacin=
g:normal; text-indent:0px; font-variant-ligatures:normal; font-variant-caps=
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an></font> </div>
<div><font color=3D"#222222" size=3D"2" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-transform:none; float=
:none; color:; orphans:2; widows:2; display:inline!important; letter-spacin=
g:normal; text-indent:0px; font-variant-ligatures:normal; font-variant-caps=
:normal; text-decoration-style:initial; text-decoration-color:initial">I=92=
m
looking at the Oeitker clamps since they seem more robust than the standar=
d single crimp Home Depot variety</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#222222" size=3D"2" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-transform:none; float=
:none; color:; orphans:2; widows:2; display:inline!important; letter-spacin=
g:normal; text-indent:0px; font-variant-ligatures:normal; font-variant-caps=
:normal; text-decoration-style:initial; text-decoration-color:initial"><a h=
ref=3D"https://www.oetiker.com/en/Products/Clamps-and-rings/Ear-Clamps";>oet=
iker
link</a></span></font></div>
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t-family:; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-transform:none; float=
:none; color:; orphans:2; widows:2; display:inline!important; letter-spacin=
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an></font> </div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000" size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-transform:none; float=
:none; color:; orphans:2; widows:2; display:inline!important; letter-spacin=
g:normal; text-indent:0px; font-variant-ligatures:normal; font-variant-caps=
:normal; text-decoration-style:initial; text-decoration-color:initial">the
other option is the Crimptite wire clamps</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000" size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-transform:none; float=
:none; color:; orphans:2; widows:2; display:inline!important; letter-spacin=
g:normal; text-indent:0px; font-variant-ligatures:normal; font-variant-caps=
:normal; text-decoration-style:initial; text-decoration-color:initial"></sp=
an></font> </div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000" size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-transform:none; float=
:none; color:; orphans:2; widows:2; display:inline!important; letter-spacin=
g:normal; text-indent:0px; font-variant-ligatures:normal; font-variant-caps=
:normal; text-decoration-style:initial; text-decoration-color:initial"><a h=
ref=3D"https://aircraft-tool.com/shop/detail.aspx?id=3DCLT01&AspxAutoDe=
tectCookieSupport=3D1">clamp
tite example</a></span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000" size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-transform:none; float=
:none; color:; orphans:2; widows:2; display:inline!important; letter-spacin=
g:normal; text-indent:0px; font-variant-ligatures:normal; font-variant-caps=
:normal; text-decoration-style:initial; text-decoration-color:initial"></sp=
an></font> </div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000" size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-transform:none; float=
:none; color:; orphans:2; widows:2; display:inline!important; letter-spacin=
g:normal; text-indent:0px; font-variant-ligatures:normal; font-variant-caps=
:normal; text-decoration-style:initial; text-decoration-color:initial">thes=
e
will also clamp down tightly as you can see by the examples online. And, u=
sing SS wire should make it even better....</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000" size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-transform:none; float=
:none; color:; orphans:2; widows:2; display:inline!important; letter-spacin=
g:normal; text-indent:0px; font-variant-ligatures:normal; font-variant-caps=
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an></font> </div>
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g:normal; text-indent:0px; font-variant-ligatures:normal; font-variant-caps=
:normal; text-decoration-style:initial; text-decoration-color:initial">expe=
rience
?? opinion ?? guesses ?? all welcome</span></font></div>
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t-family:; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-transform:none; float=
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an></font> </div>
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t-family:; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-transform:none; float=
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g:normal; text-indent:0px; font-variant-ligatures:normal; font-variant-caps=
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ks</span></font></div>
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