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I am also using a NAS. I got hit some time ago by a botnet when I was play=
ing with the ftp port forwarding to use with the security cams. Somehow the=
y found the port and I was getting hit with 6 logins attempts per second. I=
t was pretty interesting to watch while I let it go, but I got alerted pret=
ty much immediately and the IPs were blocked almost immediately too. IPs we=
re from all over the world per the lookup tool.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I have added so=
me more routers and adding some enterprise level firewalls now. I also unde=
rstand I am not as smart as some of the people out there, but it sure keeps=
the brain actively learning and I am loving my NAS.=C2=A0=C2=A0
As for the drives, I usually google review on the brand/size first and dete=
rmine if the losses are worth the risk.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Just like physical driv=
es, I have found over the years that true=C2=A0 capacity is occasionally ov=
erstated. As someone mentioned, the cheaper drives don't seem to last as lo=
ng.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I also make it spend a few hours/days doing a real format =
instead of a quick format.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Check out the NAS route and see if i=
t might work for you. Many of them use=C2=A0 hot swappable ports and you ca=
n do any RAID combination you wish.=C2=A0 Also automated backups and file s=
yncing is well worth the setup and reading time.=C2=A0=C2=A0
On Monday, March 16, 2020, 11:13:36 PM EST, John Innis via Shop-talk <s=
hop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
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I have had mixed results with these.=C2=A0 Actually pretty much the same r=
esults I see with flash-based drives.=C2=A0 The cheap ones seem to fail oft=
en, where the good ones seem to last forever.=C2=A0 Forever meaning at leas=
t a few years.=C2=A0 I have had a number of mechanical drives fail while si=
tting on the shelf for years at a time.=C2=A0 Flash seems less susceptible =
to the bit rot issue.=C2=A0 Generally speaking, you want your backups runni=
ng on drives that are hooked up and updating.=C2=A0 Preferably in a RAID ar=
rangement that provides some level of redundancy.=C2=A0 If you don't want t=
o go the RAID route, rotate drives so your backups are redundant.=C2=A0=20
A note on cloud based services.=C2=A0 They are generally very good at what =
they do, but there are different risk when using the cloud.=C2=A0 For examp=
le this week an un-patched bug was announced in windows 10 that could have =
security implications for some cloud based services.=C2=A0 There is a risk =
that hackers could get in and steal your data or ransom it.=C2=A0 Cloud is =
great for off site backup in the event of fire or other local disaster, and=
for getting data to other locations, but I would not trust is as my only s=
ource of backups.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:00 PM Doug Braun via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.t=
eam.net> wrote:
A USB portable hard drive (the real, spinning kind) should be much more rel=
iable than a run-of-the-mill USB flash drive, as long as you don't handle i=
t roughly.
Doug
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 8:26 AM Tim . via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net=
> wrote:
Sending this inquiry to you all since I know there are more than a few IT g=
uys in this group.....
I bought three 512GB flash drives for archiving here at work. One locked up=
in each of our offices and one for me to add to files as necessary as file=
s are amended. They have approximately 450GB on them.
One of the three failed as soon as I finished filling it. I bought a differ=
ent brand and made a replacement copy for the safe in our Madison office. A=
second, the same brand as the first one that failed is locked up in our MK=
E office and will also be replaced now because the third one (the one that =
has amended archived files) is also failing. I am having a hard time retrie=
ving the amended files before this drive takes a final crap on me. It took =
over 15 hours to pull one 87MB file from the dying drive. I can't even atte=
mpt to pull more than one file at a time. Not that this should matter, but =
the files are mixed word, pdf, saved outlook emails and miscellaneous audio=
or video files and possibly other items.=C2=A0
What I am wondering/hoping is that someone might know of a solution to this=
nearly impossible retrieval process. Or am I just screwed here?=C2=A0
Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud so I won't have to dea=
l with this PITA process.=C2=A0
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I am also using a NAS. I got=
hit some time ago by a botnet when I was playing with the ftp port forward=
ing to use with the security cams. Somehow they found the port and I was ge=
tting hit with 6 logins attempts per second. It was pretty interesting to w=
atch while I let it go, but I got alerted pretty much immediately and the I=
Ps were blocked almost immediately too. IPs were from all over the world pe=
r the lookup tool. I have added some more routers and adding so=
me enterprise level firewalls now. I also understand I am not as smart as s=
ome of the people out there, but it sure keeps the brain actively learning =
and I am loving my NAS. </div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">As for the drives, I =
usually google review on the brand/size first and determine if the losses a=
re worth the risk. Just like physical drives, I have found over=
the years that true capacity is occasionally overstated. As someone =
mentioned, the cheaper drives don't seem to last as long. I al=
so make it spend a few hours/days doing a real format instead of a quick fo=
rmat. Check out the NAS route and see if it might work for you.=
Many of them use hot swappable ports and you can do any RAID combina=
tion you wish. Also automated backups and file syncing is well worth =
the setup and reading time. </div><div><br></div>
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On Monday, March 16, 2020, 11:13:36 PM EST, John Innis =
via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
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<div><br></div>
<div><div id=3D"yiv7397086610"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I=
have had mixed results with these. Actually pretty much the same res=
ults I see with flash-based drives. The cheap ones seem to fail often=
, where the good ones seem to last forever. Forever meaning at least =
a few years. I have had a number of mechanical drives fail while sitt=
ing on the shelf for years at a time. Flash seems less susceptible to=
the bit rot issue. Generally speaking, you want your backups running=
on drives that are hooked up and updating. Preferably in a RAID arra=
ngement that provides some level of redundancy. If you don't want to =
go the RAID route, rotate drives so your backups are redundant. <br c=
lear=3D"none"></div><div>A note on cloud based services. They are gen=
erally very good at what they do, but there are different risk when using t=
he cloud. For example this week an un-patched bug was announced in wi=
ndows 10 that could have security implications for some cloud based service=
s. There is a risk that hackers could get in and steal your data or r=
ansom it. Cloud is great for off site backup in the event of fire or =
other local disaster, and for getting data to other locations, but I would =
not trust is as my only source of backups.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></d=
iv></div><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv7397086610gmail_quote"><div cl=
ass=3D"yiv7397086610yqt5944893160" id=3D"yiv7397086610yqtfd43379"><div clas=
s=3D"yiv7397086610gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:00 PM D=
oug Braun via Shop-talk <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@=
autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><=
/div></div><blockquote class=3D"yiv7397086610gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">=
<div class=3D"yiv7397086610yqt5944893160" id=3D"yiv7397086610yqtfd89565"><d=
iv>A USB portable hard drive (the real, spinning kind) should be much more =
reliable than a run-of-the-mill USB flash drive, as long as you don't handl=
e it roughly.<div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Doug</div></div></div>=
<br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv7397086610gmail_quote"><div class=3D"yi=
v7397086610gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 8:26 AM Tim . via =
Shop-talk <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:shop-tal=
k@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net=
">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquo=
te class=3D"yiv7397086610gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">
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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0,0,0);">
Sending this inquiry to you all since I know there are more than a few IT g=
uys in this group.....</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0,0,0);">
<br clear=3D"none">
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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0,0,0);">
I bought three 512GB flash drives for archiving here at work. One locked up=
in each of our offices and one for me to add to files as necessary as file=
s are amended. They have approximately 450GB on them.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0,0,0);">
<br clear=3D"none">
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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0,0,0);">
One of the three failed as soon as I finished filling it. I bought a differ=
ent brand and made a replacement copy for the safe in our Madison office. A=
second, the same brand as the first one that failed is locked up in our MK=
E office and will also be replaced
now because the third one (the one that has amended archived files) is als=
o failing. I am having a hard time retrieving the amended files before this=
drive takes a final crap on me. It took over 15 hours to pull one 87MB fil=
e from the dying drive. I can't
even attempt to pull more than one file at a time. Not that this should ma=
tter, but the files are mixed word, pdf, saved outlook emails and miscellan=
eous audio or video files and possibly other items. </div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0,0,0);">
<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0,0,0);">
What I am wondering/hoping is that someone might know of a solution to this=
nearly impossible retrieval process. Or am I just screwed here? </div=
>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0,0,0);">
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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud so I won't have to dea=
l with this PITA process. </div>
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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
<br clear=3D"none">
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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
Thanks</div>
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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
tim</div>
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