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8=E2=80=99 fluorescent fixtures are probably worth remapping with led tubes,=
replacing lamp holders as required, and bypassing the ballast, as they are p=
robably better fixtures than what you would replace with. If the layout was g=
enerally okay that is what I would recommend. =20
Plug connected led shop lights are universally garbage, unless you=E2=80=99r=
e paying for real commercial fixtures. The market is entirely price driven, f=
or people unwilling to do something better, and they are built as cheaply as=
possible, and often a little bit cheaper than that, to the detriment of the=
ir lifespan. There=E2=80=99s certainly a place for that, as a light over a w=
ork bench that gets used 10 times a year isn=E2=80=99t worth spending money o=
n, nor are rentals worth improving by the tenant. The good thing is they=E2=
=80=99re easy to replace=E2=80=A6
> On Oct 19, 2026, at 12:26, john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Hi all
> =20
> My 30 year old 8' t-12 (single pin) garage fixtures are slowly dying...(4 t=
otal double tube)
> the old t-12s are hard to find and expensive (16-20 bucks a tube)
> =20
> Want to change to led... lots of options - 8' led tubes are expensive too=
...
> =20
> I was gifted a box of 20 4' bi-pin bulbs that work with a ballast...(heat s=
ink)
> =20
> option 1
> if I use these I'd have to change all the tombstones to bi-pin and figure o=
ut the
> shunted vs non shunted type... AND find the 8' to 4' fixture conversion k=
its (adding the middle tombstones
> =20
> option 2
> 8' type a led single pin tubes (about the same price as 8' fluorescent) an=
d use a ballast
> not great reviews when shipped...
> =20
> option 3
> =20
> replace all the crap with the internet specials linkable stick lights and=
hope they work
> =20
> comments on options ????
> =20
> questions... when using the ballast type plug and plays... aren't I using m=
ore electricity using the ballast
> and heating it up... is there any savings here ???
> =20
> =20
> please educate the old dummy on best (least expensive) options
> =20
> =20
> =20
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v=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body dir=3D=
"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">8=E2=80=99 fluorescent fixtur=
es are probably worth remapping with led tubes, replacing lamp holders as re=
quired, and bypassing the ballast, as they are probably better fixtures than=
what you would replace with. If the layout was generally okay that is what I=
would recommend. </div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Pl=
ug connected led shop lights are universally garbage, unless you=E2=80=99re p=
aying for real commercial fixtures. The market is entirely price driven, for=
people unwilling to do something better, and they are built as cheaply as p=
ossible, and often a little bit cheaper than that, to the detriment of their=
lifespan. There=E2=80=99s certainly a place for that, as a light over a wor=
k bench that gets used 10 times a year isn=E2=80=99t worth spending money on=
, nor are rentals worth improving by the tenant. The good thing is the=
y=E2=80=99re easy to replace=E2=80=A6</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 19, 2026, at 12:26, john nio=
lon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
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<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Hi all</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font> </div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">My 30 year old 8' t-12 (single pin) garage=
fixtures are slowly dying...(4 total double tube)</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">the old t-12s are hard to find and expensive (1=
6-20 bucks a tube)</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font> </div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Want to change to led... lots of options -=
8' led tubes are expensive too ... </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font> </div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I was gifted a box of 20 4' bi-pin bulbs that w=
ork with a ballast...(heat sink)</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font> </div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">option 1 </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">if I use these I'd have to change all the tombs=
tones to bi-pin and figure out the</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">shunted vs non shunted type... AND find t=
he 8' to 4' fixture conversion kits (adding the middle tombstones</font></di=
v>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font> </div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">option 2</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">8' type a led single pin tubes (about the same p=
rice as 8' fluorescent) and use a ballast</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">not great reviews when shipped...</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font> </div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">option 3</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font> </div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">replace all the crap with the internet specials=
linkable stick lights and hope they work</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font> </div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">comments on options ????</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font> </div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">questions... when using the ballast type plug a=
nd plays... aren't I using more electricity using the ballast </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">and heating it up... is there any savings here ?=
??</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font> </div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font> </div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">please educate the old dummy on best (least exp=
ensive) options</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font> </div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font> </div>
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