Doug,
If they aren't "Sprites" then please either explain what they are or
select an answer from the following list:
a) Triumph
b) Messerschmidt
c) Buick
Please note that this Saturday at 11:00am we will all kneel and face
East for a moment of silence to praise Horler. 8-)
Jay Fishbein, CT
AN-5 NOT
HAN-6 NOT really
Innocenti-S Now what the Hell is this?
On 03/10/99 17:25:34 you wrote:
>
>Again according to Horler, there were 44 built in 1961, all right hand
drive
>CKDs, with the last one on February 16 1959. IMHO these don't count as
>Sprites (shields up!).
>
>Doug
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Larry Miller <millerls@ado13.com>
>To: Doug Ingram <dougi@home.com>; Wm. Severin Thompson
><wsthompson@thicko.com>
>Cc: Spridget List <spridgets@autox.team.net>
>Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 10:01 AM
>Subject: Re: Dark Green/Production Change Point
>
>
>>It is my understanding that Doug is correct, but, I also understand
that 30
>>or so chassis were made in 61, all of which were turned into
Innocenti's or
>>CKD's.
>>
>>Larry Miller
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Doug Ingram <dougi@home.com>
>>To: Wm. Severin Thompson <wsthompson@thicko.com>
>>Cc: Spridget List <spridgets@autox.team.net>
>>Date: 10 March, 1999 9:50 AM
>>Subject: Re: Dark Green/Production Change Point
>>
>>
>>>Thanks for the story about the Bishop. I've often wondered about the
>>history
>>>of my car - it's rare for anyone to be able to detail 40 or so years
in a
>>>car's life......that makes your car very special.
>>>
>>>But, you say it was built 1/1/60, that would be New Year's Day, so
perhaps
>>>you made a typo????
>>>
>>>As far as my reference to production ceasing in November 1960, that
is
>>>straight out of Terry Horler's book, which in the absence of a more
>>>authoritative work, has to be considered the bible, doesn't it?
>>>
>>>Doug Ingram
>>>Victoria BC
>>>1958 Frogeye
>>>AN5L/636
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Wm. Severin Thompson <wsthompson@thicko.com>
>>>To: Doug Ingram <dougi@home.com>
>>>Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 6:07 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Dark Green/Production Change Point
>>>
>>>
>>>>Doug,
>>>>
>>>>Are you sure of that date... Nov. 1960??? I belive "the Bishop's"
date
>of
>>>>birth on my certificate is 1/1/60.
>>>>
>>>>See http://www.thicko.com/bishop.htm
>>>>
>>>>WST
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Doug Ingram <dougi@home.com>
>>>>To: Spridget List <spridgets@autox.team.net>
>>>>Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 11:35 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: Dark Green/Production Change Point
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Semantics indeed. Regardless of the date the car was registered,
isn't
>it
>>>>>appropriate to consider the year of manufacture to be the critical
>issue?
>>>>>Car #5477 marked the change to the windscreen (although 3 earlier
cars
>>>also
>>>>>had the changes), and this was in October 1958. Somewhere around
3500
>>cars
>>>>>were built from that point until the end of the year, and I think
they
>>too
>>>>>legitimately should be referred to as 1958 models. Sometime in
January
>>>>1959
>>>>>Leaf Green replaced Dark Green, so there were cars made in 1959
that
>were
>>>>>originally Dark Green.
>>>>>
>>>>>This also occurs at the other end of production of the Mk 1, which
ended
>>>in
>>>>>November 1960. Every time I hear of someone who says they have a
1961
>>>>>Bugeye, I want to shout "There's no such thing!!"
>>>>>
>>>>>If I had a car that was registered incorrectly, I would take the
BMIHT
>>>>>certificate to the motor licensing office, and insist that the
error be
>>>>>corrected. But hey, that's me.......
>>>>>
>>>>>Doug Ingram
>>>>>Victoria BC
>>>>>1958 Frogeye
>>>>>AN5L/636 - Don't try telling me that my #636 ain't a 58!!
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: TYPE79@ix.netcom.com <TYPE79@ix.netcom.com>
>>>>>To: spridgets@autox.team.net <spridgets@autox.team.net>;
>>>>>bthor@master.adams.com <bthor@master.adams.com>
>>>>>Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 8:21 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: Dark Green/Production Change Point
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Brian,
>>>>>>We may just be debating semantics here. I consider "1959" Sprites
as
>>>being
>>>>>those with the later windshields, in addition to some of the other
>>post'58
>>>>>improvements.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't own the Dark Green sprite that I referenced. It is owned
by a
>>>>>friend who purchased it from the second owner. It is a dead
original
>car.
>>>>It
>>>>>was always dark green. It has the original interior (take those
words
>>>>>literally). It has its original tool kit and factory warranty. It
is a
>>low
>>>>>number car, but I can't find the number quickly tonight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Since cars of this period did not have a model year designation
until
>>the
>>>>>time of registration, it is most reasonable that these so-called
1958
>>Dark
>>>>>Green cars were registered as 1959's. But to reference all of these
Dark
>>>>>Green cars as 1958's gives the impression that they carried the
early
>>>>>windscreen and other oddities peculiar to the early cars which is
not
>>>true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Again this may be just a matter of semantics, but I have never
>>considered
>>>>>anything but an early windscreen car a "1958".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jay Fishbein, CT
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 03/09/99 22:29:51 you wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jay,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>With all due respect, I believe that Herb was correct in stating
that
>>>>Dark
>>>>>>>Green was only available on early AN5's. According to the
>>Austin-Healey
>>>>>>>Sprite Service Parts List, Publication Number AKD829, Third
Edition.
>>>>Dark
>>>>>>>Green (GN12) was discontinued at Chassis Number AN5/9926. Leaf
Green
>>>>>>>(GN15) was introduced as a replacement colour at Chassis Number
>>>AN5/9927.
>>>>>>>According to Terry Horler's book, Original Sprite and Midget,
Chassis
>>>>>>>number AN5/9926 was manufactured in January 1959. Consequently,
this
>>>>>>>colour was only available during the first 10 months of AN5
>production.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What is the chassis number of your Dark Green Sprite? Did you
ever
>>have
>>>>>>>British Motor Heritage document the date of manufacture and build
>>>>>>>specifications of your car? It would be rather interesting to
uncover
>>a
>>>>>>>car finished in Dark Green from the works after the BMC
"Documented"
>>>>>change
>>>>>>>point. Anything is possible!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brian Thornton
>>>>>>>AN5
>>>>>>>AN9
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I believe that dark green appeared only on early '58 cars....
>>>>>>>>>herb
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Herb,
>>>>>>>>With all due respect, this is false. For some reason, the
>Puddlejumper
>>>>>>>>website has chosen to perpetuate this myth despite the fact that
I
>>>>>>>>brought this to Les Myer's attention early on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>For any doubters in the audience, I invite you to CT to view an
>>>entirely
>>>>>>>>original dark green 1959 complete with original rubber floor
mats,
>>etc.
>>>>>>>>etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I am still at work and don't have access to my reference
materials
>but
>>>I
>>>>>>>>will check those later upon my return to the ranch.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Let's at least keep the basic facts straight and not rewrite
history.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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