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To: <Daniel1312@aol.com>, <ulix@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: On the other hand was Re: Or maybe not, was Re: I'm full of $#1^...:-)
From: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:20:37 -0700
Cc: <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Reply-to: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
Sender: owner-spridgets@autox.team.net
Last comment and I am driving off to the airstrip at Maxton North
Carolina..

RPM X tire height in inches  divided by 336 X gear ratio = speed in mph

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> From: Daniel1312@aol.com
> To: ulix@u.washington.edu
> Cc: spridgets@autox.team.net
> Subject: On the other hand was Re: Or maybe not, was Re: I'm full of
$#1^...:-)
> Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 3:01 PM
> 
> Hi Ulix, list,
> 
> It is late but I will try again as below somewhere.
> 
> << Daniel,
>  I don't quite follow.
>  You calculate mph/rpm in 3rd and 4th gears, but how do you get to the
rpm
>  increase in the last line?>>  me neither and it is bed time in the UK!!!
>  
>  <<Also, let me try to make my point logically.  
>  I am in 3rd gear and accelerate to 6000rpm, then I shift to 4th.  The
rpm
>  drops.  By how much does it drop is the point of discussion here.>>
> 
> With a 3.9 diff at 6,000rpm in third gear you are travelling at
12.3455mph x 
> 6 = 74.073mph.  When you shift to 4th in theory (the speed will bleed off
a 
> bit in practice) you are still at 74.073mph but the revs are now
4,389rpm.  
> The rev drop is 1,611rpm.
> 
> With a 3.7 diff at 6,000rpm in third gear you are travelling at
13.1171mph x 
> 6 =  (faster than was the case with the 3.9 diff but it is the rpm that 
> matters here) at 78.70mph.  When you shift to 4th in theory (blah, blah,
etc) 
> you are still at 78.70 but the revs are now 4,421.  The rev drop is 1,579

> which is of course the wrong answer because I want it to be less but at
least 
> it does matter what the diff ratio is: (I think we need Ron for the Math)
>  
>  <<The rotational speed of output shaft of the transmission is the same
>  before and after the shift, because you are going the same speed right
>  before and right after the shift.  Only the input shaft of the
>  transmission changes speed, namely the engine rpm.  
>  BUT, when I rev 3rd to 6000 and then shift, the speed of the output
shaft
>  is the same no matter which rearend I have installed, it just translates
>  to a different speed.  More specifically, the output shaft is at
>  6000rpm/1.357 = 4422rpm when I am at 6000rpm in 3rd gear.  This is not
>  influenced by anything past the transmission.  Then I shift to 4th and
>  the engine rpm drops to 4422rpm.
>  SO, the rpm drop from 3rd to 4th only depends on the transmission
ratios,
>  not anything else.  
>  ERGO, I think I was full of it after all :-)
>  
>  As an aside:
>  What DOES change is the speed (mph) at which this shift occurs.
>  It occurs at a higher speed for a longer diff, which means a higher load
>  (through wind resistance mainly).  That means that at every point in the
>  rpm and gear range, the load on the engine will be higher than with the
>  shorter diff.  So it will take you longer to go from 4000rpm to 5000rpm
in
>  4th, but you are also going faster.   I am not sure what I am trying to
>  say with this.  Just an observation.
>  
>  
>  > 3.9 diff x wheel rpm  = 3.9 x 911  = 3555.45
>  > 3.7 diff x wheel rpm = 3.7 x 911 = 3370.70
>  > 
>  > 3.9 diff 3555.45 divided into 60,000 = 16.875mph per 1000rpm direct
gear 
> (4th)
>  > 3.7 diff 3370.70 divided into 60,000 = 17.800mph per 1000rpm direct
gear 
> (4th)
>  > 
>  > 3.9 diff direct = 16.875 divided by 3rd gear (1.357) = 12.3455 mph
>  > 3.7 diff direct = 17.800 divide by 3rd gear (1.357) = 13.1171mph
>  > 
>  > rpm increase 4th to 3rd on 3.9 diff at 3000rpm =  1,101rpm
>  > rpm increase 4th to 3rd on 3.7 diff at 3000rpm =  1,071rpm
>  > 
>  > RPM increase is greater on 3.7 (taller diff) and this is why all you
guys 
>  > with 4.22 diffs don't worry about the wide ratios on the Jap boxes. 
Fit a 
>  > 3.9 diff and you might think twice about the Ford box (er hum which I 
> happen 
>  > to have in my Sprite, er hum with close ratios anyway).
>  > 
>  > Daniel1312
>  > 
>  
>     

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