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To: "'spridgets@autox.team.net'" <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Subject: Forward: (no LBC content!) this is what happened to the Jaguar list archives; it could happen to our list one day (although I hope it won't); please be careful about starting flame wars!
From: Daniel Thompson <dthompson@gbc.ca>
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:16:06 -0400
Reply-to: Daniel Thompson <dthompson@gbc.ca>
Sender: owner-spridgets@autox.team.net

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lawrence Buja [SMTP:southern@cgd.ucar.edu]
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 6:32 PM
> To:   announcements@jag-lovers.org
> Subject:      [ADMIN] Update: jag-lovers archives
> 
> 
> [Note: followups to this can be made to policy@jag-lovers.org]
> 
> I wanted to update Jag-lovers on the status of the archive closing.
> 
> First, thanks for all the notes of support.  I really appreciate them.
> And it's been made quite clear what a valuable resource everyone here
> considers the archive.  If it helps, I feel the same and I want them
> back online as badly as anyone else.
> 
> Currently, there is NO legal action pending against Jag-lovers.  A few
> threats, yes, but real action, no.  And the current situation appears to
> be nearing resolution.  There is no need to form a Jag-lovers legal
> defense fund at this time.
> 
> So, then, why are the archives still closed?
> 
> The archives remain closed in response to not one, but three vendors
> informing me that they felt that vendors were being unfairly maligned
> via Jag-lovers archives and that they had little opportunity to respond.
> 
> So why should this concern us?
> 
> First, fair is fair.  If their complaints are valid, then we do need to
> address them.  Jag-lovers is read by so many Jaguar owners now that
> anything said here, even off-hand comments, can have a tremendous impact
> on the Jaguar support businesses.  Second, if business owners don't see
> Jag-lovers maintaining a level playing field, I have no doubt that one
> eventually will seek relief via the courts.  As this incident has shown,
> even the threat of such can cause immense headaches for your admins.
> 
> One long-time Jaguar vendor wrote me...
> "...I'd be lying if I said we hadn't kicked around doing the same [suing
>   Jag-lovers].  The real problem is that anyone can join and say what
>   they will, and we (vendors) really cannot defend ourselves.  My reply
>   messages (concerning a complaint) have been chopped to pieces or never
>   make it to the list at all.  People who have been on the list awhile
>   can tell who is OK and who is full of hot air... but when the archive
>   is searchable from the Internet, anyone can find ONE message and form
>   an opinion from it.  There are two sides to every story, and they need
>   to be told for things to be fair."
> 
> Jag-lovers was designed to be positive and balanced forum, acting as an
> open repository for the shared experience of the Jaguar enthusiast
> community, for the benefit of Jaguar owners everywhere.  We have no
> desire to be used as a soap-box by one party with an ax to grind
> against another.
> 
> Although the attorneys who have reviewed the specific threat before us
> have assured us that all court decisions to date are squarely in our
> favor, the simple fact that business owners here feel that they can't
> effectively address statements which members have made on Jag-lovers
> indicates that we have to take a hard look at how we are doing things
> here.
> 
> Tomorrow, I will send out a request for Jag-lovers members with
> experience in either law or publishing to join a Jag-lovers advisory
> panel.  This panel will evaluate the current situation and see what's
> necessary to ensure that we have established a level playing field for
> both individuals and vendors alike.  They will be tasked with seeing
> that the appropriate policies go into place and that the proper
> disclaimers are posted to ensure that Jag-lovers is acting only as an
> impartial kiosk for information.  And this group will make the ultimate
> decision on how we can get back to serving the Jag-lovers archives given
> the parameters of this group. 
> 
> If you've made it this far, I thank you for your time.  This isn't fun
> stuff to have to deal with, but if we can get the appropriate guidelines
> in place, we can get back to what we're really here for.  
> 
> Again, any constructive comments should go to policy@jag-lovers.org
> 
> /\      Lawrence Buja           http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/southern
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