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Re: Bugeye rear brake upgrade and clutch problems.

To: "Bryan Vandiver" <Bryan.Vandiver@Eng.Sun.COM>, <macleans@earthlink.net>, <boxweed@thebest.net>
Subject: Re: Bugeye rear brake upgrade and clutch problems.
From: "Larry Miller" <millerls@ado13.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:37:02 -0700
Cc: <spridgets@autox.team.net>
References: <199907161709.KAA24062@shorter.eng.sun.com>
Reply-to: "Larry Miller" <millerls@ado13.com>
Sender: owner-spridgets@autox.team.net
Classic Tube - 80 Rotech Drive - Lancaster, NY 14086
Tel: 1-716-759-1800 or 1-800-882-3711 - (716) 759-1014 24hr Fax

also @ www.classictube.com

Bryan is correct, they do fold the lines for shipping but there is not a
problem in getting them straight again.

The lines fit a Bugeye pretty good. The only problem that I had was with the
long line from the 4-way block to the rear of the car. The initial bend on
this line was too far from the end and it would not fit between the 4-way
and the frame. I had to straighten and re-bend it.

If you order a "set" you get a set that will work with any Spridget, 14
lines. If you are ordering for an older car it would probably be cheaper to
order the specific lines that you want/need.

Stock Bugeye's have 8 lines (including the clutch) and ones converted to
disk brakes only have 6 lines.

Larry Miller
http://www.ado13.com
Ever Feel Like You Are Diagonally Parked In a Parallel Universe?







----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Vandiver <Bryan.Vandiver@Eng.Sun.COM>
To: <macleans@earthlink.net>; <boxweed@thebest.net>
Cc: <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: Bugeye rear brake upgrade and clutch problems.


> I had checked into getting new stainless pre-bent lines from a place
listed in
> Hemmings. That was about a year ago. At that time I think the price they
quoted
> me was about $120 for the brakes, and an addition $40 for the clutch line.
I
> can't remember the name of the place, but I'm sure I could find it again
if
> necessary.
>
> One caveat though, I think they may 'fold' some of the longer lines in
half for
> shipping purposes, (kind of ruins the whole point of getting nicely
prebent
> lines), so you may want to verify this before you order.
>
>  - Bryan
> (new to the list as of this week, and hope to have my bugeye on the road
next
> week)
>
> >To: "Mike Maclean" <macleans@earthlink.net>
> >Cc: "spridgets list" <spridgets@autox.team.net>
> >Subject: Re: Bugeye rear brake upgrade and clutch problems.
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> >I didn't know you could buy pre-bent brake lines for Spridgets anywhere.
> >How does one get ahold of these from Classic Tube?  ie, Does anyone know
how
> >to order them (phone #, address, e-mail, or ?)
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >Bob
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mike Maclean <macleans@earthlink.net>
> >To: Bryan Vandiver <Bryan.Vandiver@Eng.Sun.COM>
> >Cc: spridgets@autox.team.net <spridgets@autox.team.net>
> >Date: Thursday, July 15, 1999 2:45 PM
> >Subject: Re: Bugeye rear brake upgrade and clutch problems.
> >
> >
> >>Bryan,
> >>   In my experience, you should NOT flush the brake lines with anything
> >other than
> >>brake fluid.  If there is still too much gunk inside, you might consider
> >new steel
> >>brake lines.  Not as daunting a task as it sounds.  There are several
> >options
> >>available to replace them.  You can get them bre-bent from Classic Tube,
> >get a kit
> >>of lines from Moss Motors that you bend into shape by copying the
original
> >lines or
> >>you can buy a flaring tool from MiniMania and Classic tube will sell you
> >any length
> >>of 1/8th steel tubing and make your own kit.
> >>     As to the synthetic brake fluid, if you are using Lockheed RUBBER
> >parts in your
> >>master cylinder and slave cylinders, you might be experiencing swelling
of
> >the
> >>rubber.  Synthetic fluid and rubber parts don't seem to mix very well.
> >>     If you go back and flush the system out a couple of times with
Castrol
> >LMA
> >>Brake Fluid, rebuild the master cylinder and slave cylinders with new
> >rubber kits
> >>and use the Castrol fluid exclusively, I think your brake problem will
be
> >solved.
> >>Mike MacLean-60 Sprite
> >>
> >>Bryan Vandiver wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> I'm just putting the finishing touches on my bugeye restoration
project,
> >and
> >>> have run into some issues with the rear brakes, and clutch.
> >>>
> >>> I am using a rebuilt 7/8 inch dual master, that was bead-blasted, and
> >honed. I
> >>> cleaned out all the brake and clutch lines with carb cleaner, and then
> >blew them
> >>> out with compressed air. Since I was upgrading to front disk brakes, I
> >thought
> >>> it would be best to upgrade the rear as well, so I pulled the brake
> >backing
> >>> plates off a '78 rb midget (as well as the parking brake linkages),
and
> >>> installed a new set of 3/4" brake cylinders. I am using my 'original'
> >bearing
> >>> hubs, and brake drums ( dated 7/58). once I installed everything, and
> >bolted on
> >>> the wheels, I noticed a lot of binding on the rear wheels ( in fact, I
> >could
> >>> barely push the car out of the garage). After taking off both drums,
they
> >both
> >>> appear to be contacting the later brake backing plates. I compared my
> >early
> >>> brake drums to later ones, and they have the same exact distance from
the
> >back
> >>> lip of the drum to the mounting surface. Has anyone done this, or run
> >into this
> >>> problem??
> >>>
> >>> As for the clutch...
> >>> This is the 'stiffest' clutch I have experience in any car, is that
> >typical of
> >>> sprites??
> >>> I have a ribcase trans, but the new clutch slave cylinder is the
'early
> >style'
> >>> 7/8" (moss 180-655), to be compatible with my original clutch line and
> >master.
> >>> All other clutch components are '1275 type' including the slave cyl
> >'push-rod'.
> >>> The 'new' clutch kit was part# COM710/kit from MiniMania.
> >>> Besides being very tough to bleed, are these clutches really that hard
to
> >>> disengage? I can't imaging driving with this in traffic!
> >>>
> >>> BTW - I am using 'sythetic brake fluid' since I am using all new
> >components, and
> >>> all lines were'flushed' first.
> >>>
> >>> Regards - Bryan Vandiver (San Jose, CA)
> >
>
>


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