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Re: [Spridgets] 97 Mercury Sable, no LBC But a car question

To: "Larry Daniels" <ladaniels@sbcglobal.net>, "Bill Gilroy"
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 97 Mercury Sable, no LBC But a car question
From: "David Riker" <davriker@nwi.net>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 07:55:48 -0800
Pinto was just the first car to be publicly flogged for having an exploding 
gas tank, however, all Ford compact and mid-size from the '60's had drop in 
gas tanks.  They figured out if the gas tank was installed from above and 
lowered into the trunk, they could save labor, speed production, and the gas 
tank doubled as the trunk floor.  The fuel filler then either came up and 
above the bumper, centered in the rear panel, or was hidden behind the 
license plate.  This design was used in the Falcon, Comet, Fairlane, 
Cyclone, Torino, Mustang, and Cougar.  In a rear end collision, the tank 
would rupture, and spray gasoline on the rear seatback, which was basically 
burlap and cotton.  As soon as there was any spark, the fuel soaked seat 
would catch fire and incinerate all passengers.  The Pinto was actually 
safer, as the fuel tank was mounted below the luggage compartment and 
outside of the vehicle, however, due to it's compact dimensions, the rear 
leaf spring was notorious for pucnturing the tank in a collision, and 
documents were uncovered that showed a plate installed between the spring 
perch and the tank reduced the likely hood of the puncture.  It was Ford 
Motor's knowledge of the design "flaw" and the decision not to modify it due 
to cost savings that led to the lawsuits on the Pinto.

As for the Chevrolet with side saddle mounted fuel tanks, at the time of the 
design, this was an improvement in safetey.  The 1967-1973 Chevrolet pickups 
had the fuel tank mounted INSIDE the cab behind the seatback (also very 
common for this time period, I believe Ford and Dodge tanks were in the cab 
too).  In a rear end collision, the truck bed would be smashed into the cab 
(this is before crumple zones) and the tank could split open and spray the 
occupants with fuel.  The 1974 redesign moved the fuel tanks out of the cab 
and mounted them below the truck, just outside of the frame rails.  The 
design met all safety and crash standards in place for 1974.  The 
controversy was that Dateline filmed a truck being hit broadside, and their 
producers wanted to insure a dramatic explosion, so they mounted incidiary 
devices in the truck and on cue, blew it up in front of the cameras.

I am always amazed at how increadibly reliable and low maintenance current 
automobiles REALY are, I mean in just the last few posts we warned a newbie 
about pinning thrust bearings to make sure his 50,000 mile engine didn't 
self destruct.  I mean really?  When is the last time somebody said, hey, 
you know, you better rebuild your 50,000 mile engine?  Our memories seem to 
be pretty short when it comes to just how crappy ALL cars were 40 years ago. 
Drum brakes used to need adjusted every 3000 miles, and re-lined every 
10,000 miles.  Valve jobs used to be necessary at 50,000 miles, and often a 
ring job too.  Shocks lasted 20,000 miles, and don't get me started on those 
Polyester bias ply tires.  There is a reason all the corner gas stations 
converted their service bays into Pepsi coolers, and it isn't that the cars 
are more complex (although they are) IT IS BECAUSE THEY DON'T BREAK DOWN 
LIKE THEY USED TO.

Off my soap box now...
David R.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Daniels" <ladaniels@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Bill Gilroy" <wmgilroy@gmail.com>
Cc: <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 97 Mercury Sable, no LBC But a car question


> Now that I think about it, I believe you are right.  Maybe it was just 
> Pintos
> that Ford used to incinerate people.
>
> Ya pick yer brand and ya pick yer pyre.
>
> LAD
>
>
> From: Bill Gilroy
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 11:49 PM
> To: Larry Daniels
> Cc: Tom Daughdrill ; spridgets@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 97 Mercury Sable, no LBC But a car question
>
>
> I thought the exploding pickup were GMC's with saddlebag tanks outside of 
> the
> frame rails.


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