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Re: [Spridgets] 995 Huffaker race engine question

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Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 995 Huffaker race engine question
From: "bmwwxman . via Spridgets" <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 13:48:43 -0500
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One thing you can do to check the back pressure is to remove the oil filler
cap and stretch a nitrile glove over the hole.  When you start the engine
you shouldn't see the glove blow up like a balloon.  If it does - too much
crank case pressure.

Cheers!!
Jim

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:54 AM, lotuspilot@frontier.com <
lotuspilot@frontier.com> wrote:

> Rick and Jim,
>
> The Huffaker was/is a very tweaked (for its time) A-series 948 that was
> black crinkle painted and lots of chrome etc as well as 1/8 inch milled off
> of the block, Arias domed pistons etc.
>
> I did something that may have caused this and I will explain.  I purposely
> used a regular 948cc draught pipe in place of what the Huffaker was
> originally.  This engine has mucho original chrome goodies such as the
> tappet covers and the original tappet side cover had what was used on the
> later 1098cc Spridgets - the canister just like the front on the 1275cc
> engine but coming out of the tappet cover.  I wonder if that had anything
> to do with it.  I am going to put that on this evening and put oil back in
> the Exxon Valdez again - this time kitty litter under it and see what
> happens.  I may have to do the old trick of putting another crankcase vent
> in the fuel pump blocking plate.  I just dread having to pull the engine
> when it is so close.  Everyone keep your fingers crossed!
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>   On Monday, March 30, 2015 12:32 PM, bmwwxman . via Spridgets <
> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Is the Huffaker built from the standard A series?  If so, there is no rear
> main seal.  Instead they have a "Scroll" seal on the outside of the rear
> main bearing.  There is a spiral groove on the rear of the crank shaft
> which is supposed to *draw* the oil back into the engine.  However, if you
> have too much crank case pressure the scroll seal can't overcome it and it
> will weep oil which then collects in the bottom of the bell housing and
> pours out onto your driveway.
>
> Before you pull the engine again, check your crank case pressure.  On my
> standard 1275 A series I had this problem....  I ended up drilling the side
> of the block and installing a pressure relief hose into a small K&N
> filter.  There are a couple of *fixes* for this including a kit that Mo$$
> offers to replace the rear scroll seal with a better seal but it ain't
> cheap.  Another method is a fix whereby you drill a channel into the scroll
> and the rear main bearing cap and tighten up the tolerance but if you screw
> that up you are out a rear main cap which is not replaceable because it is
> line bored.   Don't ask.
>
> Good luck with it.
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:53 AM, lotuspilot--- via Spridgets <
> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> I was hoping it was just an internal pressure issue.  I may not be so
> lucky.  I guess that I can change that by pulling the engine and removing
> the flywheel.  I would love to try the straight cut gearbox somehow if
> possible.
>
> Any other ideas.
>
> Thanks a bunch,
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>   On Monday, March 30, 2015 10:23 AM, lotuspilot--- via Spridgets <
> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Guys and Gals,
>
> I just rebuilt a Huffaker race engine that had been stored away for
> decades.  I started it after the rebuild and all looked well after I
> discovered that I had the distributor drive gear in 180 out.  That took me
> a while to figure out until I replaced all of the plug wires 1 went to 4
> and 4 went to 1 and 3 to 2 and 2 to 3.
>
> Ok.  Here is my real question after running for about 20 minutes with
> varying engine speed, I noticed that about a quart and a half of oil
> decided it didn't wish to stay in the engine any longer and was being
> deposited on the driveway by way of the hole in the bottom of the
> transmission.  What happened here?  What should I check?
>
> By the way, the engine is running 11.5 :1 compression and all so high
> compression.  It sounded spectacular.  I am dying to drive it once I get
> you all to give me some idea of what may have happened.
>
> Thanks a bunch for all of your thoughts.
>
> Mike C
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">One thing you can do to check the back pressure is to remo=
ve the oil filler cap and stretch a nitrile glove over the hole.=C2=A0 When=
 you start the engine you shouldn&#39;t see the glove blow up like a balloo=
n.=C2=A0 If it does - too much crank case pressure.<div><br></div><div>Chee=
rs!!<br>Jim=C2=A0</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote">On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:54 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:lotuspilot@=
frontier.com">lotuspilot@frontier.com</a> <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:lotuspilot@frontier.com"; target=3D"_blank">lotuspilot@frontier.com</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"c=
olor:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,He=
lvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12px"><div dir=3D"ltr"><sp=
an>Rick and Jim,</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><span>The Huffaker was/is a very tweaked (for its time) A-series=
 948 that was black crinkle painted and lots of chrome etc as well as 1/8 i=
nch milled off of the block, Arias domed pistons etc. =C2=A0</span></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>I did somethin=
g that may have caused this and I will explain.=C2=A0 I purposely used a re=
gular 948cc draught pipe in place of what the Huffaker was originally.=C2=
=A0 This engine has mucho original chrome goodies such as the tappet covers=
 and the original tappet side cover had what was used on the later 1098cc S=
pridgets - the canister just like the front on the 1275cc engine but coming=
 out of the tappet cover.=C2=A0 I wonder if that had anything to do with it=
.=C2=A0 I am going to put that on this evening and put oil back in the Exxo=
n Valdez again - this time kitty litter under it and see what happens.=C2=
=A0 I may have to do the old trick of putting another crankcase vent in the=
 fuel pump blocking plate.=C2=A0 I just dread having to pull the engine whe=
n it is so close.=C2=A0 Everyone keep your fingers crossed!</span></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>Mike</span></di=
v>  <br><div><br><br></div><div style=3D"display:block"> <div style=3D"font=
-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-ser=
if;font-size:12px"> <div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,=
Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir=3D"ltr">=
 <font face=3D"Arial"> On Monday, March 30, 2015 12:32 PM, bmwwxman . via S=
pridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">=
spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br> </font> </div>  <br><br> <div><=
div><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Is the Huffaker built from the standard A series?=
=C2=A0 If so, there is no rear main seal.=C2=A0 Instead they have a &quot;S=
croll&quot; seal on the outside of the rear main bearing.=C2=A0 There is a =
spiral groove on the rear of the crank shaft which is supposed to *draw* th=
e oil back into the engine.=C2=A0 However, if you have too much crank case =
pressure the scroll seal can&#39;t overcome it and it will weep oil which t=
hen collects in the bottom of the bell housing and pours out onto your driv=
eway. =C2=A0<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Before you pull the engine a=
gain, check your crank case pressure.=C2=A0 On my standard 1275 A series I =
had this problem....=C2=A0 I ended up drilling the side of the block and in=
stalling a pressure relief hose into a small K&amp;N filter.=C2=A0 There ar=
e a couple of *fixes* for this including a kit that Mo$$ offers to replace =
the rear scroll seal with a better seal but it ain&#39;t cheap.=C2=A0 Anoth=
er method is a fix whereby you drill a channel into the scroll and the rear=
 main bearing cap and tighten up the tolerance but if you screw that up you=
 are out a rear main cap which is not replaceable because it is line bored.=
 =C2=A0 Don&#39;t ask.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Good luck wi=
th it.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Cheers!!<br clear=3D"none">J=
im=C2=A0</div></div><div><br clear=3D"none"><div>On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:=
53 AM, lotuspilot--- via Spridgets <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow=
" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
>spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><blockquo=
te style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=
<div><div><div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvet=
icaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:1=
2px"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>I was hoping it was just an internal pressure i=
ssue.=C2=A0 I may not be so lucky.=C2=A0 I guess that I can change that by =
pulling the engine and removing the flywheel.=C2=A0 I would love to try the=
 straight cut gearbox somehow if possible.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><sp=
an><br clear=3D"none"></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>Any other ideas.<=
/span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><span>Thanks a bunch,</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><br clear=
=3D"none"></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>Mike</span></div>  <br clear=
=3D"none"><div><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div style=3D"di=
splay:block"> <div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvet=
ica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12px"> <div style=3D"font-fami=
ly:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:16px"><div><div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial"> On Monday,=
 March 30, 2015 10:23 AM, lotuspilot--- via Spridgets &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollo=
w" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank=
">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div>=
  <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"> </div></div><div><div><div><div><d=
iv><div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue=
,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12px"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">Hi Guys and Gals,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr">I just rebuilt a Huffaker race engine that had been s=
tored away for decades.=C2=A0 I started it after the rebuild and all looked=
 well after I discovered that I had the distributor drive gear in 180 out.=
=C2=A0 That took me a while to figure out until I replaced all of the plug =
wires 1 went to 4 and 4 went to 1 and 3 to 2 and 2 to 3.</div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ok.=C2=A0 Here is my real que=
stion after running for about 20 minutes with varying engine speed, I notic=
ed that about a quart and a half of oil decided it didn&#39;t wish to stay =
in the engine any longer and was being deposited on the driveway by way of =
the hole in the bottom of the transmission.=C2=A0 What happened here?=C2=A0=
 What should I check?</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">By the way, the engine is running 11.5 :1 compression and all so=
 high compression.=C2=A0 It sounded spectacular.=C2=A0 I am dying to drive =
it once I get you all to give me some idea of what may have happened.</div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks a bunch f=
or all of your thoughts.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">Mike C</div></div></div></div><br clear=3D"none"></div></div>=
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