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Bob, Jim, Kent, Gerard, Bob, Bob, (Alan & Steve off line). et al.
Many thanks for input - the suggestions are very helpful, and trials on dia=
gnosis continue today. =C2=A0The observation about a fresh engine producing=
excessive crank pressure was most useful - new to me - and a good explanat=
ion for why the PCV system isn't maintaining crankcase vacuum - hadn't thou=
ght of that. =C2=A0Engine has been run lightly loaded (<3,500 rpm) for only=
about 1 hr since rebuild. =C2=A0How many hours run time to seat the rings?
There's one other wrinkle - I believe that there might be a crack in the jo=
int between the timing cover and the separator can. =C2=A0Does anyone know =
how that joint is made? =C2=A0Braze? =C2=A0In any case - I will be replacin=
g the timing cover seal (and maybe the timing cover). Is there a source for=
timing covers with the separator?
Now a couple other questions.
Since I am a newbie at this ... are there preferred sealants for the timing=
cover gasket and pan gasket - and which surfaces should be (should not be)=
slathered with thin layers?
next - can anyone advise on the proper hardware to be used in the speed cab=
le/gearbox connection assembly. =C2=A0This joint appears to have a moderate=
ly healthy seep - what I can see is a plastic (nylon?) boss and a copper wa=
sher and I'm reluctant to crank it too tight for fear of stripping the nylo=
n threads. =C2=A0Is there a sealant used here? =C2=A0
Walt
From: Bob Gardner <rdgard@cox.net>
To: bugeye@yahoogroups.com; 'Walt Swift' <wlswift@yahoo.com>=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:12 PM
Subject: RE: Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Excessive oil leak -1275 cc - front =
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gin-bottom:0in;}-->Walt,=C2=A0 Strange leak from front.=C2=A0 First, with e=
ngine warm, take off oil cap from valve cover.=C2=A0 Place a latex glove or=
small zip-lock baggie over hole.=C2=A0 If it stands up strong, too much pr=
essure in crankcase.=C2=A0 Usually forces oil out of rear main past scroll.=
=C2=A0 Can be many causes, rings, valve guides, PCV stuff etc.=C2=A0 Usuall=
y just vent to outside air with tube or hose into a catch tank.=C2=A0 Becau=
se=C2=A0 leak is in front, probably timing cover seal.=C2=A0 A lot of oil u=
sually means small leak and pressure forcing it out;=C2=A0 For your trip yo=
u may try putting a red rag over oil filler hole and taping in down.=C2=A0 =
That will let pressure vent out and not puke out of timing cover for your t=
rip.=C2=A0 Fix it later. =C2=A0Have a good trip. =C2=A0bob =C2=A0From: buge=
ye@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bugeye@yahoogroups.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:30 AM
To: spridgets@autox.team.net; bugeye@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Excessive oil leak -1275 cc - front end [=
1 Attachment] =C2=A0=C2=A0 Just took the Bugeye for a 20 mile test run afte=
r restoration. =C2=A0And I gotta leak - a serious one. =C2=A0Front end. =C2=
=A01275 cc engine (rebuilt I think), 60 psi oil pressure, hums nicely, New =
PCV valve and tube connections to the front timing cover can and the intake=
manifold seem tight. =C2=A0Not a bad leak when sitting, idling tuning carb=
s, but moderate driving (< 3,500 rpm - 20 miles) and my garage floor has a =
1/4 pt. puddle.=C2=A0 =C2=A0A lot of the oil lays on the frame cross member=
before rolling onto the floor. =C2=A0But the fan blades are clean, and oil=
isn't sprayed all over the front of the engine compartment. =C2=A0No leaks=
at the rocker cover. =C2=A0I'm thinking front seal leak?, rubber seal in s=
ump front end leak?, cracked joint between oil separator can and timing cov=
er? Faulty pcv issue (wrong or clogged valve cover cap)? =C2=A0Is it possib=
le that something wrong in the pcv system would cause significant oil blowi=
ng out of the front seal? =C2=A0Any thoughts or guidance on tests, measurem=
ents or inspections that minimize the extent of parts removals to help diag=
nose? =C2=A0It's a bear to get the radiator out and in. =C2=A0I haven't don=
e a compression test, yet, but plan to do one this morning. =C2=A0Attached =
foto shows some kinks in the radiator grill - they are an artifact of the p=
anorama function in my iPhone camera - not wrinkles in the core. ;-) =C2=A0=
I'd like to take the car up to the British Invasion Saturday without wrecki=
ng the engine and without filling the trunk with gallons of GTX 10W40. =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0Any thoughts appreciated. =C2=A0Walt60 Bugeye ... so close to bei=
ng done. =C2=A0=C2=A0__._,_.___View attachments on the web Posted by: Walt =
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nt-size:16px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442398352529_6073" dir=3D"ltr">Bob, =
Jim, Kent, Gerard, Bob, Bob, (Alan & Steve off line). et al.</div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442398352529_6073" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442398352529_6073" dir=3D"ltr">Many thanks for input - the sugge=
stions are very helpful, and trials on diagnosis continue today. The =
observation about a fresh engine producing excessive crank pressure was mos=
t useful - new to me - and a good explanation for why the PCV system isn't =
maintaining crankcase vacuum - hadn't thought of that. Engine has bee=
n run lightly loaded (<3,500 rpm) for only about 1 hr since rebuild. &nb=
sp;How many hours run time to seat the rings?</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_=
1442398352529_6073" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144239835=
2529_6073" dir=3D"ltr">There's one other wrinkle - I believe that there mig=
ht be a crack in the joint between the timing cover and the separator can. =
Does anyone know how that joint is made? Braze? In any ca=
se - I will be replacing the timing cover seal (and maybe the timing cover)=
. Is there a source for timing covers with the separator?</div><div id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1442398352529_6073" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0=
_1_1442398352529_6073" dir=3D"ltr">Now a couple other questions.</div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442398352529_6073" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442398352529_6073" dir=3D"ltr">Since I am a newbie at this ... a=
re there preferred sealants for the timing cover gasket and pan gasket - an=
d which surfaces should be (should not be) slathered with thin layers?</div=
><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442398352529_6073" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442398352529_6073" dir=3D"ltr">next - can anyone advise o=
n the proper hardware to be used in the speed cable/gearbox connection asse=
mbly. This joint appears to have a moderately healthy seep - what I c=
an see is a plastic (nylon?) boss and a copper washer and I'm reluctant to =
crank it too tight for fear of stripping the nylon threads. Is there =
a sealant used here? </div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442398352529_6073=
" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442398352529_6073" dir=3D"=
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yle=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:=
12 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: Bug=
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ve cover. Place a latex glove or small zip-lock baggie over hole.&nbs=
p; If it stands up strong, too much pressure in crankcase. Usually fo=
rces oil out of rear main past scroll. Can be many causes, rings, val=
ve guides, PCV stuff etc. Usually just vent to outside air with tube =
or hose into a catch tank. Because leak is in front, probably t=
iming cover seal. A lot of oil usually means small leak and pressure =
forcing it out; For your trip you may try putting a red rag over oil =
filler hole and taping in down. That will let pressure vent out and n=
ot puke out of timing cover for your trip. Fix it later.</span></div>=
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r-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14=
42398352529_6067"><div class=3D"yiv9103030205MsoNormal" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_=
1442398352529_6070"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ta=
homa", "sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";" id=3D"yu=
i_3_16_0_1_1442398352529_6069"> bugeye@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bugeye@yahoo=
groups.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:30 AM<br><b>To:=
</b> spridgets@autox.team.net; bugeye@yahoogroups.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Bu=
geye/Frogeye Club..... Excessive oil leak -1275 cc - front end [1 Attachmen=
t]</span></div></div></div><div class=3D"yiv9103030205MsoNormal" id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_1_1442398352529_6071"> </div><div class=3D"yiv9103030205MsoNor=
mal"> </div><div id=3D"yiv9103030205ygrp-mlmsg"><div id=3D"yiv9103030=
205ygrp-msg"><div id=3D"yiv9103030205ygrp-text"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2398352529_7359"><div id=3D"yiv9103030205"><div id=3D"yiv9103030205yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442338181326_2867"><div id=3D"yiv9103030205yui_3_16_0_1_1442338181326=
_2866"><div id=3D"yiv9103030205yui_3_16_0_1_1442325779756_4085"><div class=
=3D"yiv9103030205MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"font=
-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica", "sans-serif";color=
:black;">Just took the Bugeye for a 20 mile test run after restoration. &nb=
sp;And I gotta leak - a serious one. Front end.</span></div></div><di=
v id=3D"yiv9103030205yui_3_16_0_1_1442325779756_4085"><div class=3D"yiv9103=
030205MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt=
;font-family:"Helvetica", "sans-serif";color:black;"> &=
nbsp;</span></div></div><div id=3D"yiv9103030205yui_3_16_0_1_1442325779756_=
4085"><div class=3D"yiv9103030205MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;" id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442398352529_7379"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-fa=
mily:"Helvetica", "sans-serif";color:black;" id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_1_1442398352529_7378">1275 cc engine (rebuilt I think), 60 psi oil p=
ressure, hums nicely, New PCV valve and tube connections to the front timin=
g cover can and the intake manifold seem tight. Not a bad leak when s=
itting, idling tuning carbs, but moderate driving (< 3,500 rpm - 20 mile=
s) and my garage floor has a 1/4 pt. puddle. </span></div></div><div i=
d=3D"yiv9103030205yui_3_16_0_1_1442325779756_4085"><div class=3D"yiv9103030=
205MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442398352529_=
7380"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica", &qu=
ot;sans-serif";color:black;"> </span></div></div><div id=3D"yiv9=
103030205yui_3_16_0_1_1442325779756_4085"><div class=3D"yiv9103030205MsoNor=
mal" style=3D"background:white;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442398352529_7358"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica", "sans-s=
erif";color:black;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442398352529_7377">A lot of th=
e oil lays on the frame cross member before rolling onto the floor. B=
ut the fan blades are clean, and oil isn't sprayed all over the front of th=
e engine compartment. No leaks at the rocker cover.</span></div></div=
><div id=3D"yiv9103030205yui_3_16_0_1_1442325779756_4085"><div class=3D"yiv=
9103030205MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442398=
352529_7361"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica&quo=
t;, "sans-serif";color:black;"> </span></div></div><div id=
=3D"yiv9103030205yui_3_16_0_1_1442325779756_4085"><div class=3D"yiv91030302=
05MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442398352529_7=
376"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica", &quo=
t;sans-serif";color:black;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442398352529_7375">I'm=
thinking front seal leak?, rubber seal in sump front end leak?, cracked jo=
int between oil separator can and timing cover? Faulty pcv issue (wrong or =
clogged valve cover cap)?</span></div></div><div id=3D"yiv9103030205yui_3_1=
6_0_1_1442325779756_4085"><div class=3D"yiv9103030205MsoNormal" style=3D"ba=
ckground:white;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442398352529_7374"><span style=3D"font=
-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica", "sans-serif";color=
:black;"> </span></div></div><div id=3D"yiv9103030205yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2325779756_4085"><div class=3D"yiv9103030205MsoNormal" style=3D"background:=
white;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442398352529_7373"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5=
pt;font-family:"Helvetica", "sans-serif";color:black;" =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442398352529_7372">Is it possible that something wrong =
in the pcv system would cause significant oil blowing out of the front seal=
?</span></div></div><div id=3D"yiv9103030205yui_3_16_0_1_1442325779756_4085=
"><div class=3D"yiv9103030205MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;" id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1442398352529_7371"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:=
"Helvetica", "sans-serif";color:black;"> </span><=
/div></div><div id=3D"yiv9103030205yui_3_16_0_1_1442325779756_4085"><div cl=
ass=3D"yiv9103030205MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0=
_1_1442398352529_7369"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Hel=
vetica", "sans-serif";color:black;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14423=
98352529_7370">Any thoughts or guidance on tests, measurements or inspectio=
ns that minimize the extent of parts removals to help diagnose? It's =
a bear to get the radiator out and in.</span></div></div><div id=3D"yiv9103=
030205yui_3_16_0_1_1442325779756_4085"><div class=3D"yiv9103030205MsoNormal=
" style=3D"background:white;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442398352529_7368"><span =
style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica", "sans-seri=
f";color:black;"> </span></div></div><div id=3D"yiv9103030205yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442325779756_4085"><div class=3D"yiv9103030205MsoNormal" style=
=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Hel=
vetica", "sans-serif";color:black;">I haven't done a compres=
sion test, yet, but plan to do one this morning.</span></div></div><div id=
=3D"yiv9103030205yui_3_16_0_1_1442325779756_4085"><div class=3D"yiv91030302=
05MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;fon=
t-family:"Helvetica", "sans-serif";color:black;">  =
;</span></div></div><div id=3D"yiv9103030205yui_3_16_0_1_1442325779756_4085=
"><div class=3D"yiv9103030205MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica", "sans-serif=
";color:black;">Attached foto shows some kinks in the radiator grill -=
they are an artifact of the panorama function in my iPhone camera - not wr=
inkles in the core. ;-)</span></div></div><div id=3D"yiv9103030205yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442325779756_4085"><div class=3D"yiv9103030205MsoNormal" style=3D"back=
ground:white;"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica&q=
uot;, "sans-serif";color:black;"> </span></div></div><div i=
d=3D"yiv9103030205yui_3_16_0_1_1442325779756_4085"><div class=3D"yiv9103030=
205MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;fo=
nt-family:"Helvetica", "sans-serif";color:black;">I'd l=
ike to take the car up to the British Invasion Saturday without wrecking th=
e engine and without filling the trunk with gallons of GTX 10W40. </s=
pan></div></div><div id=3D"yiv9103030205yui_3_16_0_1_1442325779756_4085"><d=
iv class=3D"yiv9103030205MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=
=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica", "sans-serif&quo=
t;;color:black;"> </span></div></div><div id=3D"yiv9103030205yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442325779756_4085"><div class=3D"yiv9103030205MsoNormal" style=3D"bac=
kground:white;"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica&=
quot;, "sans-serif";color:black;">Any thoughts appreciated.</span=
></div></div><div id=3D"yiv9103030205yui_3_16_0_1_1442325779756_4085"><div =
class=3D"yiv9103030205MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D=
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