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I am reasonably happy with my Chinese copy of Rolex watch. The only
irritating feature on it is when the face pops open and the little bird
pops out to chirp the hour..... ;-)
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 1:46 PM, John Innis via Spridgets <
spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
> But contrast that to the millions of dollars (including tax dollars) that
> are spent to stop the sale of Chinese knock-off purses and shoes. It can
> be done, but like I said, the cost is very high. Homeland Security (for
> reasons I have yet to understand) goes after web sites and local retailers
> selling counterfeit goods, US Customs and Boarder Patrol goes after those
> importing such goods, seizes and destroys any they find. The FBI goes
> after violations of copyright law, including DMCA violations of pirated
> software. Some big cities like NY also have special Police squads
> dedicated to stopping the sale of counterfit goods. The products my
> company makes are used in aircraft systems, so there are also plenty of
> avenues to fight the use of knock-off products from that angle as well.
> But none of that makes any difference if they make and sell the knock-off's
> only in China.
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 1:22 PM, ryan.kubanoff--- via Spridgets <
> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> No you couldn't have. For example read the history of legal battles
>> between Lionel trains and Mikes train house. contractor for MTH approached
>> Lionel about new designs for cheep. Lionel bit and produced these new
>> designs thinking they were from an inhouse designer. Instead they were MTH
>> stolen plans. Almost bankrupted Lionel. They couldn't do anything legal
>> against the designer since they were both using same manufacturing
>> contractor.
>> Ryan
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"John Innis via Spridgets" <spridgets@autox.team.net>
>> *To: *"Mark Haynes" <220caribou@gmail.com>
>> *Cc: *"spridgets" <spridgets@autox.team.net>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 20, 2016 1:43:50 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [Spridgets] Spridgets Digest, Vol 58, Issue 6
>>
>>
>> That is all true, BUT, there is another layer to this. My company has
>> also done business with sub-contractors in China, and I spent some time
>> there getting the subs up to speed on the work they were doing for us.
>> They work we got form them was of acceptable quality, but definitely the
>> minimum possible quality that we could accept. The subs that we worked
>> with did not care if we rejected some product, it was cheaper for them to
>> have rework than to do the work to a higher standard. So we basically had
>> to inspect everything we got from them. The reject rate was definitely
>> much higher than any of the other subcontractors we worked with.
>>
>> Then there is the IP issue. Just about every design that the China-based
>> sub worked on for us ended up getting ripped off and marketed by a
>> different Chinese company shortly after out contract ended. Both companies
>> were owned by the government of China, so it seems likely they deliberately
>> transferred our technology to one of our competitors. Fortunately they did
>> NOT try to sell our design in the US. I am pretty sure we could have
>> stopped them, but it would have been expensive.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Mark Haynes via Spridgets <
>> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>> This article is right on point, My brother in-law has traveled to China
>>> for business (very astute Engineer BTW) and stated that the Chinese will
>>> make anything that you want to whatever price/quality point YOU define.
>>> They CAN make very good tools, but its up to the outsourcing company to
>>> tell them what level of quality they want.
>>> Unfortunately most of the US firms are more concerned with cost to
>>> produce rather than longevity and quality (Are you listening HF?).
>>> JMHO,
>>>
>>> Mark Haynes
>>> It only goes one way- Pay It Forward
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I am reasonably happy with my Chinese copy of Rolex watch.=
=C2=A0 The only irritating feature on it is when the face pops open and the=
little bird pops out to chirp the hour..... =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ;-)<div><br></di=
v></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, J=
an 20, 2016 at 1:46 PM, John Innis via Spridgets <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.t=
eam.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">But contrast that to the millions of dollars (including tax dollars) =
that are spent to stop the sale of Chinese knock-off purses and shoes.=C2=
=A0 It can be done, but like I said, the cost is very high.=C2=A0 Homeland =
Security (for reasons I have yet to understand) goes after web sites and lo=
cal retailers selling counterfeit goods, US Customs and Boarder Patrol goes=
after those importing such goods, seizes and destroys any they find.=C2=A0=
The FBI goes after violations of copyright law, including DMCA violations =
of pirated software.=C2=A0 Some big cities like NY also have special Police=
squads dedicated to stopping the sale of counterfit goods.=C2=A0 The produ=
cts my company makes are used in aircraft systems, so there are also plenty=
of avenues to fight the use of knock-off products from that angle as well.=
=C2=A0 But none of that makes any difference if they make and sell the knoc=
k-off's only in China. <br></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5=
"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 20,=
2016 at 1:22 PM, ryan.kubanoff--- via Spridgets <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.t=
eam.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000"><div>No you couldn&=
#39;t have.=C2=A0 For example read the history of legal battles between Lio=
nel trains and Mikes train house. =C2=A0contractor for MTH approached Lione=
l about new designs for cheep. Lionel bit and produced these new designs th=
inking they were from an inhouse designer.=C2=A0 Instead they were MTH stol=
en plans.=C2=A0 Almost bankrupted Lionel. They couldn't do anything leg=
al against the designer since they were both using same manufacturing contr=
actor.</div><div>Ryan</div><div><br></div><hr><div style=3D"color:#000;font=
-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica=
,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><b>From: </b>"John Innis via Spridge=
ts" <<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">=
spridgets@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>To: </b>"Mark Haynes" <=
<a href=3D"mailto:220caribou@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">220caribou@gmail.=
com</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"spridgets" <<a href=3D"mailto:sprid=
gets@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>><br>=
<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, January 20, 2016 1:43:50 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: =
[Spridgets] Spridgets Digest, Vol 58, Issue 6<div><div><br><div><br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div>That is all true, BUT, there is another layer to this.=
=C2=A0 My company has also done business with sub-contractors in China, and=
I spent some time there getting the subs up to speed on the work they were=
doing for us.=C2=A0 They work we got form them was of acceptable quality, =
but definitely the minimum possible quality that we could accept.=C2=A0 The=
subs that we worked with did not care if we rejected some product, it was =
cheaper for them to have rework than to do the work to a higher standard.=
=C2=A0 So we basically had to inspect everything we got from them.=C2=A0 Th=
e reject rate was definitely much higher than any of the other subcontracto=
rs we worked with.=C2=A0 <br><div><br></div></div>Then there is the IP issu=
e.=C2=A0 Just about every design that the China-based sub worked on for us =
ended up getting ripped off and marketed by a different Chinese company sho=
rtly after out contract ended.=C2=A0 Both companies were owned by the gover=
nment of China, so it seems likely they deliberately transferred our techno=
logy to one of our competitors.=C2=A0 Fortunately they did NOT try to sell =
our design in the US.=C2=A0 I am pretty sure we could have stopped them, bu=
t it would have been expensive.=C2=A0 <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Mark Haynes=
via Spridgets <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team=
.net" target=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>This article is ri=
ght on point, My brother in-law has traveled to China for business (very as=
tute Engineer BTW) and stated that the Chinese will make anything that you =
want to whatever price/quality point YOU define. They CAN make very good to=
ols, but its up to the outsourcing company to tell them what level of quali=
ty they want.<br></div>Unfortunately most of the US firms are more concerne=
d with cost to produce rather than longevity and quality (Are you listening=
HF?).<br></div>JMHO,<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"=
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Pay It Forward<br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue,=
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