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Re: [Spridgets] Axle seal failure / wheel cylinder failure

To: Rick Fisk <refisk@chartermi.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Axle seal failure / wheel cylinder failure
From: Ron Soave via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 19:42:52 -0500
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I lost bouncing ball on thread. I thought we were just doing axles....  knee=
 deep in my own crap!!=20

Ron Soave

> On Sep 23, 2018, at 6:48 PM, Rick Fisk <refisk@chartermi.net> wrote:
>=20
> If you just want to replace the o-ring and gasket under the axle flange yo=
u do not have to remove the hub.  If you want to replace the seal that rides=
 on the axle housing then yes, you have to pull the hub.
>=20
>=20
> Sent from my keyboard
>=20
>> On Sep 23, 2018, at 6:58 PM, Ron Soave via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.tea=
m.net> wrote:
>>=20
>> No hub removal. Should take all of 25 minutes to do.=20
>>=20
>> Ron Soave
>>=20
>>> On Sep 23, 2018, at 3:44 PM, Lester via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.=
net> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Ok, last question, is this possible and practical WITHOUT removing the h=
ub?
>>>=20
>>> Lester
>>>=20
>>> thanks for all the help so far guys!\\
>>>> On Sep 23, 2018, at 1:39 PM, Kevin Valentine <kevinv1275@gmail.com> wro=
te:
>>>>=20
>>>> Lester,
>>>>=20
>>>> You will need the seal (gasket) and the rubber o-ring.  It's not diffic=
ult to change.
>>>>=20
>>>> Parts 24 and 26 on this page;
>>>>=20
>>>> http://www.victoriabritish.com/icatalog/sm/full.aspx?Page=3D51
>>>>=20
>>>> Do you have a haynes manual? =20
>>>>=20
>>>> You will need to pull the axle, but that's easy too ;)
>>>>=20
>>>> Jack up the car higher on the side you are working on.  That will keep t=
he diff lube from leaking out when you remove the axle.
>>>>=20
>>>> Kevin V.
>>>> Tuscarora, Pa
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 10:04 AM, Lester via Spridgets <spridgets@auto=
x.team.net> wrote:
>>>>> Well shit.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> There was a smear of crud around the outside of the hub, smell of diff=
 fluid.  So what does it take to replace the axle seal?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Lester
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> > On Sep 22, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <spridgets@auto=
x.team.net> wrote:
>>>>> >=20
>>>>> > Has the fluid level in the brake master gone down?  With regular bra=
ke fluid I can tell by the feel that it's brake fluid.  When I get it on my f=
inger and rub my finger and thumb together it has a "squeaky" feel.  Don't k=
now if that works with silicone as I've never  used the stuff.
>>>>> >=20
>>>>> > Sent from my keyboard
>>>>> >=20
>>>>> >> On Sep 22, 2018, at 7:30 PM, Lester Ewing via Spridgets <spridgets@=
autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>> >>=20
>>>>> >>=20
>>>>> >> Good Afternoon all,
>>>>> >>=20
>>>>> >> So there I was cleaning all the gunk off the drum and springs and i=
t hit me, is the fluid I am cleaning off brake fluid (Silicone) or is it dif=
f oil?  It=E2=80=99s rained a bunch here so I can=E2=80=99t smell anything o=
n the ground.  Externally, the signs would be the same right:  Fluid trail d=
own tire, gunk all inside of drum and all over shoes.  I didn=E2=80=99t get t=
hat sulphur smell but I may have put synthetic oil in the diff a decade ago o=
r so when I cleaned things up.  I do not recall changing the seals .
>>>>> >>=20
>>>>> >> Last data point, the car has been sitting for about 2 years while I=
 try to make it =E2=80=9Cbetter=E2=80=9D.
>>>>> >>=20
>>>>> >> All thoughts and input accepted.
>>>>> >>=20
>>>>> >> Lester
>>>>> >>=20
>>>>> >> ------------------------
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I lost bouncing ball on thread. I thought w=
e were just doing axles.... &nbsp;knee deep in my own crap!!&nbsp;<br><br><d=
iv id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Ron Soave</div><div><br>On Sep 23, 2018, at 6:4=
8 PM, Rick Fisk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:refisk@chartermi.net";>refisk@chartermi=
.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><meta http-e=
quiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div>If you jus=
t want to replace the o-ring and gasket under the axle flange you do not hav=
e to remove the hub. &nbsp;If you want to replace the seal that rides on the=
 axle housing then yes, you have to pull the hub.</div><div id=3D"AppleMailS=
ignature"><br><br>Sent from my keyboard</div><div><br>On Sep 23, 2018, at 6:=
58 PM, Ron Soave via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.ne=
t">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><div><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8">No hub removal. Should take all of 25 minutes to do.&nbsp;<div><br><d=
iv id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Ron Soave</div><div><br>On Sep 23, 2018, at 3:4=
4 PM, Lester via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>s=
pridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite=
"><div><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3Dutf-=
8">Ok, last question, is this possible and practical WITHOUT removing the hu=
b?<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Lester</div><div clas=
s=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">thanks for all the help so far g=
uys!\\<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D=
"">On Sep 23, 2018, at 1:39 PM, Kevin Valentine &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kevinv=
1275@gmail.com" class=3D"">kevinv1275@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br clas=
s=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"fo=
nt-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps=
: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-a=
lign: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; wi=
dows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><=
div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Lester,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div c=
lass=3D"">You will need the seal (gasket) and the rubber o-ring.&nbsp; It's n=
ot difficult to change.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=
=3D"">Parts 24 and 26 on this page;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></di=
v><div class=3D""><a href=3D"http://www.victoriabritish.com/icatalog/sm/full=
.aspx?Page=3D51" class=3D"">http://www.victoriabritish.com/icatalog/sm/full.=
aspx?Page=3D51</a><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div c=
lass=3D"">Do you have a haynes manual?&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br c=
lass=3D""></div><div class=3D"">You will need to pull the axle, but that's e=
asy too ;)</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Jack up=
 the car higher on the side you are working on.&nbsp; That will keep the dif=
f lube from leaking out when you remove the axle.</div><div class=3D""><br c=
lass=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Kevin V.</div><div class=3D"">Tuscarora, Pa<=
/div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></d=
iv></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra" style=3D"font-family: Helvet=
ica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-we=
ight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text=
-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-=
spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=3D""><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 10:04 AM, Lester via Spridgets<span cla=
ss=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">spri=
dgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt;</span><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nb=
sp;</span>wrote:<br class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204,=
 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;">Well shit.<br clas=
s=3D""><br class=3D"">There was a smear of crud around the outside of the hu=
b, smell of diff fluid.&nbsp; So what does it take to replace the axle seal?=
<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Lester<br class=3D""><span class=3D""><br clas=
s=3D""><br class=3D"">&gt; On Sep 22, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Rick Fisk via Spridg=
ets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">spridgets@aut=
ox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"">&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-=
space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">&gt; Has the fluid level in the brake mas=
ter gone down?&nbsp; With regular brake fluid I can tell by the feel that it=
's brake fluid.&nbsp; When I get it on my finger and rub my finger and thumb=
 together it has a "squeaky" feel.&nbsp; Don't know if that works with silic=
one as I've never&nbsp; used the stuff.<br class=3D"">&gt;<span class=3D"App=
le-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">&gt; Sent from my keyboard<b=
r class=3D"">&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br clas=
s=3D"">&gt;&gt; On Sep 22, 2018, at 7:30 PM, Lester Ewing via Spridgets &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">spridgets@autox.team.=
net</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-spac=
e">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"=
>&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">&gt;&gt; Good Afternoon all,<br class=3D"">&gt;=
&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">&gt;&g=
t; So there I was cleaning all the gunk off the drum and springs and it hit m=
e, is the fluid I am cleaning off brake fluid (Silicone) or is it diff oil?&=
nbsp; It=E2=80=99s rained a bunch here so I can=E2=80=99t smell anything on t=
he ground.&nbsp; Externally, the signs would be the same right:&nbsp; Fluid t=
rail down tire, gunk all inside of drum and all over shoes.&nbsp; I didn=E2=80=
=99t get that sulphur smell but I may have put synthetic oil in the diff a d=
ecade ago or so when I cleaned things up.&nbsp; I do not recall changing the=
 seals .<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;<=
/span><br class=3D"">&gt;&gt; Last data point, the car has been sitting for a=
bout 2 years while I try to make it =E2=80=9Cbetter=E2=80=9D.<br class=3D"">=
&gt;&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">&g=
t;&gt; All thoughts and input accepted.<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<span class=3D=
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