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Re: Nitrogen Embrittlement (acid manifold porting)

To: Tom Witt <wittsend@jps.net>, "Tiger's Den" <tigers@Autox.Team.Net>
Subject: Re: Nitrogen Embrittlement (acid manifold porting)
From: Steve Laifman <SLaifman@socal.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:27:15 -0700
Tom,

Hydrogen embrittlement is a well known phenomena resulting from 
operations like the acid in an chrome electroplate penetrating into a 
wire wheel spoke and degrading it's tensile strength.  Many 50's era 
chrome shops were turning out chromed wheels that the factory had 
painted.  It resulted in quickly broken spokes.  The lesson was learned 
to BAKE the spokes in an oven to remove the hydrogen.

Commercial wire wheel manufacturers mostly used stainless for 
performance wires.  The rims were fine, as they were not stressed as 
highly as the spokes.

This lesson was learned in the 50's around here, and any chrome shop the 
EPA still let's operate know this.

Aluminum will not absorb hydrogen and become brittle, the acid etch is 
neutralized, in any event, to prevent any left-over fluid pockets from 
continuing to eat away in cavities.

I would be a LOT more concerned about electrolysis, wherein the aluminum 
is dissolved into the coolant passages by electrolysis.  This is caused 
by metals that are on the other side of the electromotive table, and 
iron is one of them.

A special additive is in the anti-freeze that inhibits this, and has 
nothing to do with freezing.  It needs replacing about every year by 
changing antifreeze or adding it from a separate small bottle.

A better solution is to stick a grounded rod of magnesium into the 
coolant system.  This is common practice on salt water boat engines, and 
J.C. Whitney sells a stack of magnesium disks for this job.  They 
dissolve instead of the aluminum, being more reactive on the EMF table, 
and don't need replacement as often.  Just check them every so often to 
make sure they are still there.

Boat shops have zinc plugs and rods for boats, but they don't want to 
fit into my overflow tank.  Next time I have the radiator out, I'll add 
a boss on an end tank and use an external screw one boat version.

There is a CHEAP alternative.  Those chromed thermostat housings are 
made of chrome plated zinc. They will erode, inside, and protect your 
expensive F4B manifold.  However they were very ignorant is using such a 
soft metal and a poorly designed O-ring seal.  The ears bend under the 
bolt tension, and the O-ring leaks when you have tightened it to a fully 
bent position.  If you don't mind checking and replacing them, it's a 
cheap solution for the manifold water passages.

Forget about the intake ports, the gain is minimal unless you have flow 
bench people go through your entire system, matching carb size, valve 
sizes, cam profiles, SHAPES of the intake runners, and grinding away at 
the protruding valve guide bosses to remove the excess blockage, yet 
leave enough for strength.

Did anyone tell you speed is spelled $$$$Peeed!   :-)

Steve



Tom Witt wrote:

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> So, to get back to my original premise, 'will the acid process make the
>cast material more likely to crack due to embrittlement?' thanks for any
>help.
>Tom Witt
>  
>

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Steve Laifman
Editor
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