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Re: [Tigers] Not Tiger Related-Brake Upgrade

To: Tiger List <tigers@Autox.Team.Net>, deiland1@elp.rr.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Not Tiger Related-Brake Upgrade
From: <e.coiner@cox.net>
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:40:59 -0700
Dan,
Only one correction.  The area of the pads is irrelevant to force calculations. 
 You need to know the area of the pistons in the caliper. Only count the area 
of the pistons on one side of the disc. ie a 4 piston caliper only count the 
area of 2 pistons.
Erich
---- deiland1@elp.rr.com wrote: 
> I've been doing more research on my brake upgrade and the following is what I 
> have found so far. If more knowledgeable souls are out there, I welcome your 
> input/criticism/outright yelling at me or what ever input you would like to 
> give. 
>  
> I can't get to the pedal box very well since it is mounted to my car, but 
>based 
> on my crude measurements I think the pedal ratio is close to 4:1 if my 
> measurements are correct. The formula for calculating Master Cylinder line 
> pressure is: 
> Pressure = (Leg force on the pedal) x (Pedal Ratio) divided by (Master 
>Cylinder 
> Piston Area). 
> Just for comparison's sake I'm using 100 for the leg force on the pedal. 
>Actual 
> pressure may be more or less. 
>  
> 0.7500" bore MC = 0.4418 sq. in of piston area 
> 1.0000" Bore MC = 0.7854 sq. in of piston area 
>  
> Therefore; OE MC with  .75" bore P= (100 * 4.33)/0.4418 = 980 psi 
>            New MC with 1.0" bore P= (100 * 4.33)/0.7854 = 551 psi 
>  
> With the original 7" single diaphram booster you would gain about 494 psi of 
> free boost on the OE MC and about 381 psi with the 1" bore MC. But with the 
>dual 
> diaphram MC this would increase to around 490 psi free boost. This means the 
> total boost are as below: 
>  
> OE 0.75" bore with 7" SD booster 980psi + 494 psi = 1474 psi total 
> New 1.0" bore with 7" DD booster 551psi + 490 psi = 1041 psi total 
>  
> Although this is about a 40% difference, when you consider the OE application 
> was with a two piston caliper with about 3.3 sq/in of pad area compared to my 
> new 4 piston caliper with 6.63 sq/in of pad area and slotted discs then the 
>end 
> result is actually improved braking over the OE even with the 1" bore MC. If 
>I 
> use a smaller bore MC with all my new parts I would really have a lot more 
>force 
> at the brake disc which may actually not be that great of an idea. 
>  
> I have thrown out my calculations for all to see (flawed or not) and now I 
>wait 
> the gunfire. 
>  
> Dan Eiland 
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