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To: "'James Lindner'" <jliny5@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical Issue
From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 08:06:32 -0400
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Jim
    I'm not the electrical guy but I had numerous problems with my =
generator
system until I converted to Alternator.
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G post- ground - black wire
=20
F post - wire NG is the field
=20
A post on rear cover - wire NY is generator output - should be in the 14 =
to
15v range
=20
1st - give the generator a medium smack with a hammer - if 14v or more =
shows
up - time to rebuild the generator - the brushes are worn and hanging up
It is my understanding that generators need to be rebuilt every 30 to =
40K
miles.
=20
I had to run my generator system with the VR cover off - I believe it =
was
too heat sensitive - with the cover always off I could easily clear the =
VR
points when I lost voltage.
=20
I installed a volt meter under the dash so I always knew when the =
generator
was not working properly.
=20
Hope that helps
=20
Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James
Lindner via Tigers
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 8:37 PM
To: Tiger List
Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Issue


Hi All

I was getting my Tiger ready for the season and I noticed that I was not
getting a charge at idle. The more the car warmed up, the more rpms it
needed to keep the ignition lite off. Over the years I have experienced
problems keeping a voltage regulator for any great length of time. They =
just
seem to give up after not so long. This time I did pretty well.it lasted
over a year. I checked the battery and generator just to be sure.the =
battery
had a full charge and the generator was generating.

So I switched out the v/reg for one I purchased from SS as a backup last
year. I have done this installation a couple of times so I was =
confident,
even with my minimal skills.

I got the new v/reg in. Reconnected the battery but When I went to =
polarize
it (touch F wire and B wire momentarily per Shop Manual).nothing. I =
checked
my connections (Brown to Batt terminal.Brn/Grn to Fld terminal.Brn/Yel =
to
Arm terminal) all were correct. I double checked battery.full charge.

Thinking the v/reg might be bad, I reinstalled the old one.same
results.nothing.

I installed new one again.same results.

The only other action I took was to disconnect the terminals on the
generator and cleaned them up. I checked to make sure I reconnected them
correctly.

I took a chance and turned on the ignition.dead.

After taking a break I went back out and did some more inspection and
testing. Not sure if it made a difference but I found the battery wire
(brown) spade connector at the fuse box loose. I crimped it down and got =
a
much tighter fit. The v/reg still would not polarize so I then took some
readings with my multimeter. Here are the readings.

=20

Battery.....................12.9v

Batt Term @ V/reg................12.9v

Battery term @ solenoid.............12.9V

Battery Term @ Gen (end of case)......0

=20

I thought I should get a similar 12 something reading at the Batt =
terminal
on the generator. Any advice on where to make additional tests or =
anything
else is appreciated.=20

=20

I am pretty much a neophyte at this so please type slowly.

=20

Thanks

=20

Jim Lindner


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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D171014311-11042015>Jim</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D171014311-11042015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm not the electrical guy =
but I had=20
numerous problems with my generator system until I converted to=20
Alternator.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D171014311-11042015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D171014311-11042015>G=20
post- ground - black wire</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D171014311-11042015></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D171014311-11042015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D171014311-11042015>F post=20
- wire NG&nbsp;is the field</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D171014311-11042015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D171014311-11042015>A post=20
on rear cover -&nbsp;wire NY&nbsp;is generator output - should be in the =
14 to=20
15v range</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D171014311-11042015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D171014311-11042015>1st -=20
give the generator a&nbsp;medium smack with a hammer - if 14v or more =
shows up=20
-&nbsp;time to rebuild the generator - the brushes are worn =
and&nbsp;hanging=20
up</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D171014311-11042015>It is=20
my understanding that generators need to be rebuilt every 30 to 40K=20
miles.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D171014311-11042015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D171014311-11042015>I had=20
to run&nbsp;my generator system with the VR cover off - I believe it was =
too=20
heat sensitive - with the cover always off I could easily clear the VR =
points=20
when I lost voltage.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D171014311-11042015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D171014311-11042015>I=20
installed a volt meter under the dash so I always knew when the =
generator was=20
not working properly.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D171014311-11042015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D171014311-11042015>Hope=20
that helps</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D171014311-11042015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D171014311-11042015>Ron=20
Fraser</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr lang=3Den-us class=3DOutlookMessageHeader =
align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2=20
  face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tigers=20
  [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>James =
Lindner via=20
  Tigers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 10, 2015 8:37 PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
Tiger=20
  List<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Tigers] Electrical Issue<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">
  <DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi =
All<BR><BR>I was=20
  getting my Tiger ready for the season and I noticed that I was not =
getting a=20
  charge at idle. The more the car warmed up, the more rpms it needed to =
keep=20
  the ignition lite off. Over the years I have experienced problems =
keeping a=20
  voltage regulator for any great length of time. They just seem to give =
up=20
  after not so long. This time I did pretty well&#8230;it lasted over a =
year. I=20
  checked the battery and generator just to be sure&#8230;the battery =
had a full=20
  charge and the generator was generating.<BR><BR>So I switched out the =
v/reg=20
  for one I purchased from SS as a backup last year. I have done this=20
  installation a couple of times so I was confident, even with my =
minimal=20
  skills.<BR><BR>I got the new v/reg in. Reconnected the battery but =
When I went=20
  to polarize it (touch F wire and B wire momentarily per Shop =
Manual)&#8230;nothing.=20
  I checked my connections (Brown to Batt terminal&#8230;Brn/Grn to Fld=20
  terminal&#8230;Brn/Yel to Arm terminal) all were correct. I double =
checked=20
  battery&#8230;full charge.<BR><BR>Thinking the v/reg might be bad, I =
reinstalled the=20
  old one&#8230;same results&#8230;nothing.<BR><BR>I installed new one =
again&#8230;same=20
  results.<BR><BR>The only other action I took was to disconnect the =
terminals=20
  on the generator and cleaned them up. I checked to make sure I =
reconnected=20
  them correctly.<BR><BR>I took a chance and turned on the=20
  ignition&#8230;dead.</FONT></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">After taking a break I went back =
out and=20
  did some more inspection and testing. Not sure if it made a difference =
but I=20
  found the battery wire (brown) spade connector at the fuse box loose. =
I=20
  crimped it down and got a much tighter fit. The v/reg still would not =
polarize=20
  so I then took some readings with my multimeter. Here are the=20
  readings&#8230;</FONT></DIV>
  <P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal><FONT=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal><FONT=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
11pt">Battery&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#82=
30;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;=
&#8230;.12.9v</FONT></P>
  <P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal><FONT=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Batt Term @ =
V/reg&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#823=
0;..&#8230;&#8230;..12.9v</FONT></P>
  <P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal><FONT=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Battery term @ =
solenoid&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..&#8230;=
..12.9V</FONT></P>
  <P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal><FONT=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Battery Term @ Gen (end of =
case)&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..0</FONT></P>
  <P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal><FONT=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal><FONT =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I=20
  thought I should get a similar 12 something reading at the Batt =
terminal on=20
  the generator. Any advice on where to make additional tests or =
anything else=20
  is appreciated. </FONT></P>
  <P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P>
  <P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal>I am pretty much a =
neophyte at=20
  this so please type slowly.</P>
  <P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P>
  <P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks</P>
  <P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P>
  <P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal>Jim=20
Lindner</P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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