Still have my original tiger with the260 ,air cleaner, tranny, and rear, and
still runs great. Love the car, oh and the right color. Beau 9470951.
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 15:02:47 -0400
>From: Tod Brown <todbrown@roadrunner.com>
>To: tigers@autox.team.net, Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com>
>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on eBay
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>Ron:
>
>Your're correct, of course about it being a 289. Strange to claim that
>it is an "original" car
>with a 289? And what's up with the oil filter, certainly not original
>either.
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>Tod
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>Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 22:08:41 +0000 (UTC)
>From: Stephen Waybright <gswaybright@yahoo.com>
>To: Tod Brown <todbrown@roadrunner.com>, "tigers@autox.team.net"
> <tigers@autox.team.net>, Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com>
>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on eBay
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>I'm guessing the intended meaning of "original" in this case must be that it's
>an authentic Tiger. The fact that they say it's a 289 shows they have no idea
>of the details that would demonstrate the car to be original, and there are a
>lot of questionable details jumping out of the pictures to shows it's not. The
>BRG looks more like my car's Jag BRG than Sunbeams lighter/yellower Forest
>Green. It really seems to be an older, partial restoration to non original,
>"personalized" specs.??Stephen Waybright
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> From: Tod Brown via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
> To: tigers@autox.team.net; Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 2:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on eBay
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> Ron:
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> Your're correct, of course about it being a 289. Strange to claim that it is
> an "original" car
> with a 289? And what's up with the oil filter, certainly not original either.
>
> Tod
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>Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 17:01:20 -0700
>From: "Tom Witt" <atwittsend@verizon.net>
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>I?d interrupt ?...never been restored? as an ?after the sale? don?t come
>complaining if you find issues (what would you expect for a 50 year old car).
>On the other hand..., the selling agent is probably hoping a ?before the sale?
>buyer will see it as, ?the condition is so good it STILL doesn?t need
>anything.?
>
>None of this is meant to disparage the car (or its owner). It is just meant as
>?Buyer Beware? because sometime words have two meanings. And as some have
>already observed the wording and the pictures aren?t a total match.
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>Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 01:18:18 +0000
>From: "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit@garmin.com>
>To: "rfraser@bluefrog.com" <rfraser@bluefrog.com>, 'Tod Brown'
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>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on eBay (michael king)
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>Hi Ron,
>Certainly that is the case now ? if one had the original block for a given
>Tiger, it would be worth it to sleeve the block if necessary in order to
>preserve the originality for a stock restoration, rather than putting in a 289
>for ?appearance-correct? restoration.
>
>In the past, though, I?m sure lots of the 260?s were removed and discarded
>even if they were running fine, just to get the extra cubes available in a 289
>or 302.
>
>For what it?s worth regarding serial numbers, build sequence, etc: My Tiger is
>the second-last Mk1A by VIN, and I still have the original HEH-E gearbox for
>it with the correct (per TBON) ID number. A previous owner substituted a 5
>bolt 289 for the 260 at some point and the original engine was gone long
>before I got the car. It was built after they had started the Mk2 production
>line, presumably to use up Mk1A parts? and drivelines. Any story about late
>Mk1A Tigers with factory 289?s ignores the fact that the Mk2 Tigers had 6 bolt
>289?s and wide ratio HEH-CF (or HEH-B?) gearboxes, and the Rootes production
>line would (should?) never have been supplied with 5-bolt 289 engines paired
>with close ratio HEH-E gearboxes unless Ford made a major mistake.
>
>Cheers,
>Theo
>
>Date: Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 11:47 AM
>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on eBay (michael king)
>
>Tod
>
> Just because they say it is a 289 doesn't make it so.
>
>I did not look so I can't say for sure on this Tiger but the only way to know
>to be sure is by the block casting number.
>
>IMO it is a shame to change out an original 260 engine unless it broke badly.
>
>Ron Fraser
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tod Brown via
>Tigers
>Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 10:47 AM
>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on eBay (michael king)
>
>And, of course, it has a 289.
>
>Interestingly (at least to me), this car's serial number is only 10 after mine
>(2394 vs. 2384).
>
>Cheers,
>
>Tod
>B382002384LRXFE
>TAC 864
>original rivets
>original engine
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>Message: 5
>Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 23:57:42 -0400
>From: Tod Brown <todbrown@roadrunner.com>
>To: "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit@garmin.com>, "rfraser@bluefrog.com"
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>On 5/24/2015 9:18 PM, Smit, Theo wrote:
>> Hi Ron,
>> Certainly that is the case now ? if one had the original block for a
>> given Tiger, it would be worth it to sleeve the block if necessary in
>> order to preserve the originality for a stock restoration, rather than
>> putting in a 289 for ?appearance-correct? restoration.
>>
>> In the past, though, I?m sure lots of the 260?s were removed and
>> discarded even if they were running fine, just to get the extra cubes
>> available in a 289 or 302.
>>
>> For what it?s worth regarding serial numbers, build sequence, etc: My
>> Tiger is the second-last Mk1A by VIN, and I still have the original
>> HEH-E gearbox for it with the correct (per TBON) ID number. A previous
>> owner substituted a 5 bolt 289 for the 260 at some point and the
>> original engine was gone long before I got the car. It was built after
>> they had started the Mk2 production line, presumably to use up Mk1A
>> parts? and drivelines. Any story about late Mk1A Tigers with factory
>> 289?s ignores the fact that the Mk2 Tigers had 6 bolt 289?s and wide
>> ratio HEH-CF (or HEH-B?) gearboxes, and the Rootes production line
>> would (should?) never have been supplied with 5-bolt 289 engines
>> paired with close ratio HEH-E gearboxes unless Ford made a major mistake.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Theo
>>
>> Date: Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 11:47 AM
>> To: 'Tod Brown' <todbrown@roadrunner.com
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on eBay (michael king)
>>
>> Message
>> Tod
>> Just because they say it is a 289 doesn't make it so.
>> I did not look so I can't say for sure on this Tiger but the only way
>> to know to be sure is by the block casting number.
>> IMO it is a shame to change out an original 260 engine unless it broke
>> badly.
>> Ron Fraser
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf
>> Of *Tod Brown via Tigers
>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2015 10:47 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Tiger on eBay (michael king)
>>
>> And, of course, it has a 289.
>>
>> Interestingly(at least to me), this car's serial number is only 10
>> after mine (2394 vs. 2384).
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tod
>> B382002384LRXFE
>> TAC 864
>> original rivets
>> original engine
>>
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>Theo:
>
>Despite the rumors to the contrary, I tend to agree with Ron's
>conclusion that there were never any MkIA's provided with 289's from the
>factory. There certainly have never been any documented cases of such
>and the evidence from your car of it being a 260 (originally) with the
>HEH-E gearbox bears this conclusion out. I find it very interesting that
>the build date on yourcar is after the startup of MkII manufacture. It
>doesn't seem that there is any other logical explanation for such cars
>to have the 260/HEH-E combination except to use up existing stock. Of
>course, the operational word here is "logical". There is an awful lot of
>history regarding Tiger production that we just don't know and maybe
>never will. At the same time, things do gradually come out, even after
>fifty years. Some recent investigations by Graham Vickery in England and
>Buck Trippel in the Rootes archives and elsewhere hold some promise of
>new discoveries. Stay tuned!
>
>Cheers,
>
>Tod
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