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Joel
Alpine Parts List shows some of this - Body Fittings
http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/factory_parts_list/Alpine/alpine_pa=
rt_
list.asp
=20
My soft top is stowed under the hard top so I can't get to it very well.
=20
Metal plates just distribute the load of the pop rivets to the webbing -
rectangular piece of metal.
Not sure I have an example - I will look.
=20
Velcro is on the canrails and on the soft top.
=20
Ron Fraser
-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Martin [mailto:jmartiniii@yahoo.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 9:52 AM
To: Ross Hulse; tigers@autox.team.net; Ron Fraser
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Over Engineered Soft Top
Thanks for the responses.
The rootes manual only shows a diagram for the cable tension soft top. =
What
do I need to look for in a Velcro verses cable tension top frame?
Notch is for webbing that pop rivets to the header and the bows with =
metal
plates. The webbing is how long and how wide? Ron indicates, I =
interrupt,
attaches to the header (1), middle bow (2) and then the rear bow (3) if =
I am
reading this correctly. Metal plates are a mystery at this point - not =
sure
if I have these or not.
So if the Velcro frame, does the Velcro attach to the 'cantrail' RH and =
LH
which is about 24" long for securing to the top which has Velcro already
sewn into it?
Thanks again
Joel Martin
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:16 AM, Ross Hulse
<commodoreblues@gmail.com> wrote:
Joel,
Check youtube for Sunbeam Top Stowage. It shows how to fold the top on =
a
Mark 1A. And it also shows how to properly attach the top material to =
the
body. Watch the video and you will notice how the center webbing is
attached to the frame.99980 0=20
=20
If you have cables on a Mark 1A top frame you actually have an early =
Mark 1
frame and that is not correct. =20
Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Tom Parker via Tigers
<tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
Ron's right, I think. The Mark 1A probably used Velcro on the sides. =
Look
for rivet holes in the frame outer sides.My Mark 2 definitely does.=20
Tom
'67 Mark 2
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers
<tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
Joel
=20
Most Rootes parts are over engineered for strength and longevity.
=20
There are 2 tensions cables.
Are you sure you need them for a Mk 1A frame. My early Mk 1A uses =
Velcro
along the side rails instead of the cables.
=20
You need the Alpine Parts List to show those parts. See =
TigersUnited.com
and look for the Tiger and Alpine Parts List there.
=20
Notch is for webbing that pop rivets to the header and the bows with =
metal
plates.
=20
My cover plates are Machine Gray.
=20
Write ups - TE/AE web site should have one but not sure.
There was a video on the web for folding the top correctly - not sure if =
it
is still there or if I can find it again
=20
Ron Fraser
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel =
Martin
via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 9:38 AM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Over Engineered Soft Top
Well, we started on the soft top frame for the 66 Mk 1A. Would you say =
this
is a over engineered, complicated set up?=20
The tension cable and retainer spring, which I have neither, where does =
the
retaining spring attach to? The from collar, I believe attached to the =
Peak
rail. Are there 2 tension cable, one on either side?
The peak rail or header rail looks to have a notch in the center with
several holes to hold something here - what? The Rootes manual section =
O
body does not show anything.
The cover plate, RH and LH, - are they suppose to be machinery grey =
painted
like the frame or chrome as received from SS?
Are there any good write ups with pictures on soft top frame and top
installation? I have not been able to find anything.
Pictures on the entire top set up would be greatly appreciated. My =
little 3
stop light town does not even know what a Sunbeam is other than a =
blender,
so going to look is not possible.
Regards
Joel Martin
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D093105614-20082015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial>Joel</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093105614-20082015> <FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>Alpine Parts List shows some of this - Body=20
Fittings</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093105614-20082015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><A=20
href=3D"http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/factory_parts_list/Alpine/a=
lpine_part_list.asp">http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/factory_parts_=
list/Alpine/alpine_part_list.asp</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093105614-20082015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093105614-20082015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>My=20
soft top is stowed under the hard top so I can't get to it very=20
well.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093105614-20082015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093105614-20082015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>Metal=20
plates just distribute the load of the pop rivets to the webbing -=20
rectangular piece of metal.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093105614-20082015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>Not=20
sure I have an example - I will look.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093105614-20082015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093105614-20082015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>Velcro=20
is on the canrails and on the soft top.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093105614-20082015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093105614-20082015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>Ron=20
Fraser</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2=20
face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Joel Martin=20
[mailto:jmartiniii@yahoo.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 20, =
2015 9:52=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ross Hulse; tigers@autox.team.net; Ron=20
Fraser<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Over Engineered Soft=20
Top<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; FONT-FAMILY: garamond, new york, =
times, serif; COLOR: #000; FONT-SIZE: 16px">
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1440078089272_5497><SPAN=20
id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1440078089272_8525>Thanks for the =
responses.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1440078089272_5497><SPAN><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1440078089272_5497><SPAN=20
id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1440078089272_9971>The rootes manual only shows a =
diagram for=20
the cable tension soft top. What do I need to look for in a =
Velcro=20
verses cable tension top frame?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1440078089272_5497><SPAN><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1440078089272_5497><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: rgb(0,0,255); FONT-SIZE: small"=20
id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1440078089272_8570>Notch is for webbing that pop =
rivets to the=20
header and the bows with metal plates. </SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small"=20
id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1440078089272_13137>The webbing is how long and how =
wide?=20
Ron indicates, I interrupt, attaches to the header (1), middle =
bow (2)=20
and then the rear bow (3) if I am reading this correctly. Metal =
plates=20
are a mystery at this point - not sure if I have these or=20
not.</SPAN><SPAN><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1440078089272_5497><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small"><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1440078089272_5497><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small"=20
id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1440078089272_15044>So if the Velcro frame, does the =
Velcro=20
attach to the 'cantrail' RH and LH which is about 24" long for =
securing to the=20
top which has Velcro already sewn into it?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1440078089272_5497><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small"><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1440078089272_5497><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small"=20
id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1440078089272_15687>Thanks again</SPAN></DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small"><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1440078089272_5497><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small">Joel =
Martin</SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>On Wednesday, August 19, =
2015 11:16 AM,=20
Ross Hulse <commodoreblues@gmail.com> =
wrote:<BR></FONT></DIV><BR><BR>
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<DIV id=3Dyiv9995961879>
<DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV>Joel,</DIV>
<DIV><BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>Check youtube for Sunbeam Top =
Stowage. It=20
shows how to fold the top on a Mark 1A. And it also shows how to =
properly attach the top material to the body. Watch the video =
and you=20
will notice how the center webbing is attached to the frame.99980 0
<DIV>
<DIV>If you have cables on a Mark 1A top frame you actually have an =
early Mark=20
1 frame and that is not correct. </DIV>
<DIV class=3Dyiv9995961879gmail_extra><BR clear=3Dall>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3Dyiv9995961879gmail_signature>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>Ross "Commodore Blues" =
Hulse</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR=20
clear=3Dnone>
<DIV class=3Dyiv9995961879gmail_quote>On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:47 AM, =
Tom=20
Parker via Tigers <SPAN dir=3Dltr><<A =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"=20
shape=3Drect rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank=20
=
ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</A>></S=
PAN>=20
wrote:<BR clear=3Dnone>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"=20
class=3Dyiv9995961879gmail_quote>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>Ron's right, I think. The Mark 1A probably used =
Velcro on the=20
sides. Look for rivet holes in the frame outer sides.My Mark 2 =
definitely=20
does.
<DIV><BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>
<DIV>Tom</DIV>
<DIV>'67 Mark 2</DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dyiv9995961879gmail_extra><BR clear=3Dnone>
<DIV class=3Dyiv9995961879gmail_quote>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3Dyiv9995961879h5>On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Ron =
Fraser via=20
Tigers <SPAN dir=3Dltr><<A href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; =
shape=3Drect=20
rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank=20
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ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</A>></S=
PAN>=20
wrote:<BR clear=3Dnone></DIV></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"=20
class=3Dyiv9995961879gmail_quote>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN>Joel</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial><SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN>Most Rootes =
parts are=20
over engineered for strength and longevity.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial><SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN>There are 2 =
tensions=20
cables.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN>Are you =
sure you need=20
them for a Mk 1A frame. My early Mk 1A uses Velcro along the =
side=20
rails instead of the cables.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial><SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN>You need =
the Alpine Parts=20
List to show those parts. See TigersUnited.com and look for =
the=20
Tiger and Alpine Parts List there.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial><SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN>Notch is =
for webbing that=20
pop rivets to the header and the bows with metal=20
plates.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial><SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN>My cover =
plates are=20
Machine Gray.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial><SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN>Write ups - =
TE/AE web=20
site should have one but not sure.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN>There was a =
video on the=20
web for folding the top correctly - not sure if it is still there =
or if I=20
can find it again</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial><SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN>Ron=20
Fraser</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial><SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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face=3DArial><SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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clear=3Dnone><B>From:</B> Tigers=20
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Joel Martin via Tigers<BR =
clear=3Dnone><B>Sent:</B>=20
Wednesday, August 19, 2015 9:38 AM<BR clear=3Dnone><B>To:</B> <A =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; shape=3Drect =
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clear=3Dnone><B>Subject:</B> [Tigers] Over Engineered Soft =
Top<BR=20
clear=3Dnone><BR clear=3Dnone></FONT></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; FONT-FAMILY: garamond, new =
york, times, serif; COLOR: #000; FONT-SIZE: 16px">
<DIV dir=3Dltr>Well, we started on the soft top frame for the 66 =
Mk=20
1A. Would you say this is a over engineered, complicated =
set=20
up? </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>The tension cable and retainer spring, which I =
have=20
neither, where does the retaining spring attach to? The =
from=20
collar, I believe attached to the Peak rail. Are there 2 =
tension=20
cable, one on either side?</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>The peak rail or header rail looks to have a =
notch in the=20
center with several holes to hold something here - what? =
The=20
Rootes manual section O body does not show anything.</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>The cover plate, RH and LH, - are they suppose to =
be=20
machinery grey painted like the frame or chrome as received from =
SS?</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>Are there any good write ups with pictures on =
soft top=20
frame and top installation? I have not been able to find=20
anything.</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>Pictures on the entire top set up would be =
greatly=20
appreciated. My little 3 stop light town does not even =
know what a=20
Sunbeam is other than a blender, so going to look is not =
possible.</DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>Regards</DIV>
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