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Re: [Tigers] Steering Wheel Vibration

To: "mwood24020@aol.com" <mwood24020@aol.com>, "tigers@autox.team.net" <tigers@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering Wheel Vibration
From: Terry Packer via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 03:21:48 +0000 (UTC)
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I did not take any pictures. Heck, I didn't even expect any noticeable resu=
lts.=20

I can add however that I left the brake disks attached and balanced the hub=
/disk assembly. Also, on my first attempt I did space the hub out on the sp=
indle so the hub's grease seal did not drag. Even so, the hub's cone bearin=
gs simply aren't suitable for the job.=20

The hardware I ended up using is very similar to that pictured in the link =
below. It was part of a wheel balancing system I bought years ago and which=
 I still use to balance motorcycle wheels where a good static balance is su=
fficient. You can see that the two cones are individually adjustable on the=
 shaft via setscrews. For anyone without hardware of this type, I think it =
might be possible to mount Tiger hubs on motorcycle wheel balancers commonl=
y used in the service departments of bike shops and motorcycle accessory st=
ores where m/c tires are sold. I have not visited one to investigate that p=
ossibility yet.=C2=A0
If anyone else on the list tries balancing front wheel hubs, I would be ver=
y interested to hear your results as I'm curious whether there is something=
 of substance here or whether my experience was unique.=20

Terry

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      From: "mwood24020@aol.com" <mwood24020@aol.com>
 To: packertl3@yahoo.com; tigers@autox.team.net=20
 Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 6:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering Wheel Vibration
  =20
=C2=A0Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. Did you take any pictures?Mike=
=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Packer via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
To: tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2015 5:42 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Steering Wheel Vibration

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 Recently, while performing maintenance on the wheels of a trailer, it beca=
me apparent that a wheel hub had a heavy spot. Having made incremental impr=
ovements to the smooth running of my Tiger over the years, and having often=
 wondered whether the hubs could be a source of vibration, that trailer hub=
 made me determined to finally answer the question.
A front hub was removed from the Tiger and cleaned, hoping to use its own w=
heel bearings (clean and dry) to perform the test. That setup wasn't sensit=
ive enough so I adapted a wheel balancer shaft with cones addressing the be=
arings on each side of the hub and riding on high quality, dry bearings. Th=
e result was that each of my hubs was out of balance on the order of 1/2 ou=
nce. A hole was drilled on the heavy side near the outer perimeter of the b=
acking plate and enlarged until the hub balanced. The final hole on each hu=
b was 7/16".
As the hubs are relatively heavy and much smaller in diameter than tires an=
d wheels, I expected that in the end, this would prove to be an exercise to=
 eliminate the hubs as a source of vibration. On the contrary, the very fir=
st test drive revealed a much improved ride with noticeably reduced vibrati=
on, mostly in the 60+ mph range where an improvement was most appreciated.
If you would like to steady the steering wheel of your Tiger and improve it=
s ride quality, experience with my car suggests that balancing the front hu=
bs is well worth the effort.
Terry Packer9470018
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e Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mai=
lman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com    =20

  
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<html><head></head><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; f=
ont-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_13512" dir=3D"ltr">I did not take any pictur=
es. Heck, I didn't even expect any noticeable results. <br></div><div id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_13994" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_1=
6_0_1_1447117849127_14000" dir=3D"ltr">I can add however that I left the br=
ake disks attached and balanced the hub/disk assembly. Also, on my first at=
tempt I did space the hub out on the spindle so the hub's grease seal did n=
ot drag. Even so, the hub's cone bearings simply aren't suitable for the jo=
b. <br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_14447" dir=3D"ltr"><br><=
/div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_14449" dir=3D"ltr">The hardware =
I ended up using is very similar to that pictured in the link below. It was=
 part of a wheel balancing system I bought years ago and which I still use =
to balance motorcycle wheels where a good static balance is sufficient. You=
 can see that the two cones are individually adjustable on the shaft via se=
tscrews. For anyone without hardware of this type, I think it might be poss=
ible to mount Tiger hubs on motorcycle wheel balancers commonly used in the=
 service departments of bike shops and motorcycle accessory stores where m/=
c tires are sold. I have not visited one to investigate that possibility ye=
t.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_15081"><br></div><div i=
d=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_15019" dir=3D"ltr">If anyone else on the li=
st tries balancing front wheel hubs, I would be very interested to hear you=
r results as I'm curious whether there is something of substance here or wh=
ether my experience was unique. <br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144711784=
9127_15017"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_13949" dir=3D"l=
tr">Terry<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_13680"><br><span><=
/span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_13681"><span =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_13715"><a id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127=
_13713" href=3D"http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RLkAAOSwFnFWDFi1/s-l300.jpg";>=
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RLkAAOSwFnFWDFi1/s-l300.jpg</a></span></div><=
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20@aol.com" &lt;mwood24020@aol.com&gt;<br> <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849=
127_14861"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_14860" style=3D"font-weig=
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b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, November 9, 2=
015 6:06 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> R=
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_13504">Very interesting. Thanks for s=
haring. Did you take any pictures?</div>

<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_13506">Mike</div>

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<div id=3D"yiv3769864010aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_7284">Recently, =
while performing maintenance on the wheels of a trailer, it became apparent=
 that a wheel hub had a heavy spot. Having made incremental improvements to=
 the smooth running of my Tiger over the years, and having often wondered w=
hether the hubs could be a source of vibration, that trailer hub made me de=
termined to finally answer the question.</div>

<div id=3D"yiv3769864010aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_7354"><br clear=
=3D"none">
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv3769864010aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_7534=
">A front hub was removed from the Tiger and cleaned, hoping to use its own=
 wheel bearings (clean and dry) to perform the test. That setup wasn't sens=
itive enough so I adapted a wheel balancer shaft with cones addressing the =
bearings on each side of the hub and riding on high quality, dry bearings. =
The result was that each of my hubs was out of balance on the order of 1/2 =
ounce. A hole was drilled on the heavy side near the outer perimeter of the=
 backing plate and enlarged until the hub balanced. The final hole on each =
hub was 7/16".</div>

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"><br clear=3D"none">
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<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv3769864010aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_7538=
">As the hubs are relatively heavy and much smaller in diameter than tires =
and wheels, I expected that in the end, this would prove to be an exercise =
to eliminate the hubs as a source of vibration. On the contrary, the very f=
irst test drive revealed a much improved ride with noticeably reduced vibra=
tion, mostly in the 60+ mph range where an improvement was most appreciated=
.</div>

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"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv3769864010aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_7542=
">If you would like to steady the steering wheel of your Tiger and improve =
its ride quality, experience with my car suggests that balancing the front =
hubs is well worth the effort.</div>

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"><br clear=3D"none">
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<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv3769864010aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_7546=
">Terry Packer</div>

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