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Re: [Tigers] mushy Wilwood brakes

To: Jim McLaughlin <jimmc13@socket.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] mushy Wilwood brakes
From: rollright--- via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:37:07 -0400
Cc: tigers@autox.team.net
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Thought it might be the silicone problem but I guess not.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 11, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Jim McLaughlin <jimmc13@socket.net> wrote:
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> From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright=
--- via Tigers
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:54 PM
> To: tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] mushy Wilwood brakes
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> What brake fluid are you running?  Is it dot 4 or dot 5
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> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 09:33:28 -0500
> From: "Jim McLaughlin" <jimmc13@socket.net>
> To: "'Rob Hogan'" <robertdhogan@gmail.com>,    <tigers@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Activity
> Message-ID: <003b01d1c325$0e5d8030$2b188090$@socket.net>
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> Rob:
> I really like my 10 and 3/4? front brakes, I used this size as I still hav=
e 13 inch wheels.  The setup work very well as I have a Wilwood proportionin=
g valve to adjust front to rear effort to my driving style, or perhaps lack o=
f.  One problem I have is that I use a 1980 Subaru Brat M/C to gain a dual c=
hamber master, this has turned out to be the weak link.  While I got plenty o=
f help from Wilwood Tech about setup, when I asked for then to recommend a d=
ual chamber M/C I have not heard back and it?s been over a year.  I drive th=
e car fairly regularly, it runs and stops great, brake pedal is soft on init=
ial press of pedal.  Brakes have been bled several times and the M/C does no=
t leak and no fluid has been lost.  I do need a line on a better Master.  Th=
e great is quite fast and I would say my stopping confidence for me driving i=
s about 80 to 85% sat.  My son told me the pedal is too mushy for him.  My w=
ife will not drive it yet, so just my oldest son and I have driven it.  So t=
h
> is needs
>   attention.  I am still looking. =20
> The actual caliper setup with drums on the rear is awesome for street use a=
nd maybe when a new M/C is fitted something a little more, noting the car is=
 very fast!
> By the way I used Classic tube hard lines for the car except for the M/C c=
onnections in the engine bay to the valve, they are custom bent.  I would us=
e this method again for another Tiger, but it would have to be Midnight Blue=
 (58)!!!
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> Jim
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> From: Rob Hogan [mailto:robertdhogan@gmail.com]=20
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 8:28 AM
> To: Jim McLaughlin <jimmc13@socket.net>
> Cc: Tiger's List <tigers@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Activity
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> Jim,
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> Have you had a large amount of driving experience with the front Wilwood a=
nd rear drum brake setup?
> I am considering that same brake combination and also whether to convert t=
he rear brakes to Wilwood disks with Dale's kit.
> What I'm trying ta assess is how much better the front only conversion is i=
n comparison to the stock Tiger brakes and also the full conversion to the f=
ront only Wilwood disks.  Any advice on what you may have learned would be v=
ery helpful.
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> Rob
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> Rob Hogan
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> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:22 AM, Jim McLaughlin via Tigers <tigers@autox.te=
> Tiger listers:
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> I seem to continue to receive info from you folks.  I would  offer that as=
 a former member of facebook, I utilize and appreciate and use this list alm=
ost daily, sometimes even add when I have something to offer.
> As for social media, consider this, I closed my facebook account over 2 ye=
ars ago when they were exposed conducting an experiment posting positive and=
 negative info to selected facebook members as an unannounced experiment, re=
ally, I personally do not need to be part of this BS nor will I.=20
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> Here is the result of your contributions to my restoration effort, a 1966 M=
ark1(a) Tiger with a modified 260, posit track rear-end, Wilwood front discs=
, stock rear drums, a really nice car, oh yes, Martha C. interior.
> So thanks and let?s consider this one of the reasons to keep going.
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> Jim McLaughlin
> B382000175LRXFE
> P.S. at St Mary?s Aldermanbury (Christopher Wren) in Fulton, MO originally=
 destroyed during the battle of London in WW2 and given by the people of the=
 UK to Fulton after Churchill?s Iron Curtain speech.
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> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Activity
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> At 09:38 AM 6/7/2016, Tom Hall via Tigers wrote:
> Not having received anything frim the Tiger List since may 27th, I sent a t=
est message to the List and received three responces. One of the responders c=
opied the list.  I got his responce in my personel mail, but no cc from the l=
ist.  There is nothing from the list in my Comcast spam file!  What gives?
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#0D=
0D0D">Dot 4<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span=
></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3=
.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Tim=
es New Roman&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New R=
oman&quot;"> Tigers [<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto=
:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rollright--- via Tig=
ers<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 10, 2016 1:54 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"m=
ailto:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [T=
igers] mushy Wilwood brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:10.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:black=
">What brake fluid are you running? &nbsp;Is it dot 4 or dot 5<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;ms=
o-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></=
o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10=
.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:black">Jim Ar=
mstrong<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:=
black">Mk 1A<br><br><br><br>------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<br>-----------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br=
>Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 09:33:28 -0500<br>From: "Jim McLaughlin" &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:jimmc13@socket.net";>jimmc13@socket.net</a>&gt;<br>To: "'Rob Hogan=
'" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robertdhogan@gmail.com";>robertdhogan@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;,&nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.=
team.net</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Activity<br>Message-ID: &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:003b01d1c325$0e5d8030$2b188090$@socket.net";>003b01d1c325$0e5d803=
0$2b188090$@socket.net</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8=
"<br><br>Rob:<br>I really like my 10 and 3/4? front brakes, I used this size=
 as I still have 13 inch wheels.&nbsp; The setup work very well as I have a W=
ilwood proportioning valve to adjust front to rear effort to my driving styl=
e, or perhaps lack of.&nbsp; One problem I have is that I use a 1980 Subaru B=
rat M/C to gain a dual chamber master, this has turned out to be the weak li=
nk.&nbsp; While I got plenty of help from Wilwood Tech about setup, when I a=
sked for then to recommend a dual chamber M/C I have not heard back and it?s=
 been over a year.&nbsp; I drive the car fairly regularly, it runs and stops=
 great, brake pedal is soft on initial press of pedal.&nbsp; Brakes have bee=
n bled several times and the M/C does not leak and no fluid has been lost.&n=
bsp; I do need a line on a better Master.&nbsp; The great is quite fast and I=
 would say my stopping confidence for me driving is about 80 to 85% sat.&nbs=
p; My son told me the pedal is too mushy for him.&nbsp; My wife will not dri=
ve it yet, so just my oldest son and I have driven it.&nbsp; So th<br>is nee=
ds<br>&nbsp; attention.&nbsp; I am still looking.&nbsp; <br>The actual calip=
er setup with drums on the rear is awesome for street use and maybe when a n=
ew M/C is fitted something a little more, noting the car is very fast!<br>By=
 the way I used Classic tube hard lines for the car except for the M/C conne=
ctions in the engine bay to the valve, they are custom bent.&nbsp; I would u=
se this method again for another Tiger, but it would have to be Midnight Blu=
e (58)!!!<br><br>Jim<br><br>From: Rob Hogan [<a href=3D"mailto:robertdhogan@=
gmail.com">mailto:robertdhogan@gmail.com</a>] <br>Sent: Friday, June 10, 201=
6 8:28 AM<br>To: Jim McLaughlin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jimmc13@socket.net";>ji=
mmc13@socket.net</a>&gt;<br>Cc: Tiger's List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@au=
tox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Activit=
y<br><br>Jim,<br><br>Have you had a large amount of driving experience with t=
he front Wilwood and rear drum brake setup?<br>I am considering that same br=
ake combination and also whether to convert the rear brakes to Wilwood disks=
 with Dale's kit.<br>What I'm trying ta assess is how much better the front o=
nly conversion is in comparison to the stock Tiger brakes and also the full c=
onversion to the front only Wilwood disks.&nbsp; Any advice on what you may h=
ave learned would be very helpful.<br><br>Rob<br><br><br>Rob Hogan<br><br>On=
 Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:22 AM, Jim McLaughlin via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:tigers@autox.team.net%20%3cmailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team=
.net &lt;mailto:tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt; &gt; wrote:<br>Tiger listers:<=
br><br>I seem to continue to receive info from you folks.&nbsp; I would&nbsp=
; offer that as a former member of facebook, I utilize and appreciate and us=
e this list almost daily, sometimes even add when I have something to offer.=
<br>As for social media, consider this, I closed my facebook account over 2 y=
ears ago when they were exposed conducting an experiment posting positive an=
d negative info to selected facebook members as an unannounced experiment, r=
eally, I personally do not need to be part of this BS nor will I. <br><br><b=
r>Here is the result of your contributions to my restoration effort, a 1966 M=
ark1(a) Tiger with a modified 260, posit track rear-end, Wilwood front discs=
, stock rear drums, a really nice car, oh yes, Martha C. interior.<br>So tha=
nks and let?s consider this one of the reasons to keep going.<br><br>Jim McL=
aughlin<br>B382000175LRXFE<br>P.S. at St Mary?s Aldermanbury (Christopher Wr=
en) in Fulton, MO originally destroyed during the battle of London in WW2 an=
d given by the people of the UK to Fulton after Churchill?s Iron Curtain spe=
ech.<br><br>From: Tigers [<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net%20=
%3cmailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net%3e%20";>mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.t=
eam.net &lt;mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net&gt; </a>] On Behalf Of Norm=
an C. Miller via Tigers<br>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:04 AM<br>To: <a=
 href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a> &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>mailto:tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt; <br>S=
ubject: Re: [Tigers] Activity<br><br><br>&nbsp; &lt;<a href=3D"http://www.dr=
eamstime.com/retro-tv-test-pattern-thumb14395530.jpg">http://www.dreamstime.=
com/retro-tv-test-pattern-thumb14395530.jpg</a>&gt;&nbsp; <br><br>At 09:38 A=
M 6/7/2016, Tom Hall via Tigers wrote:<br>Not having received anything frim t=
he Tiger List since may 27th, I sent a test message to the List and received=
 three responces. One of the responders copied the list.&nbsp; I got his res=
ponce in my personel mail, but no cc from the list.&nbsp; There is nothing f=
rom the list in my Comcast spam file!&nbsp; What gives?<br><br>_____________=
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