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Cullen,
I think you have to wonder about the true condition if he thinks a Mark =
II is worth $240,000 and he is only asking $80,000. That alone might be =
an indicator. In the long run maybe those =E2=80=9Cless than =
100k=E2=80=9D Mark II =E2=80=9Cdrivers=E2=80=9D are a better deal.
Tom
From: Cullen McCann via Tigers=20
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 8:41 AM
To: Randall Antosiak=20
Cc: Tigers Den=20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk2 values
Thank you all who contributed to my question about MKII values. I have =
used the Hagerty Valuation tool many times, but I couple that knowledge =
with personal experiences.=20
I am aware of a Tiger Mk II "for sale" that I'm trying negotiate the =
possible sale of. Admittedly I was hoping to do so without opening up =
the floodgates of other competition, hence my lack of detail.
He's asking 80 grand for a non driving car, with many critical MKII =
pieces that have not yet been confirmed. He may have them but I haven't =
seen them. The car does start, but does not drive. It also is packed in =
a garage with stuff all around it, obstructing some of its inspection, =
but its very clearly a MKII. It is recorded in TBON. No visible rust but =
may have some body filler, amount unknown. Communication is poor with =
the seller and his expectations are unreasonable. He quotes a 240K sale =
on a MKII and is confident his car is worth 70-80 grand. I didn't think =
it is. I know of a couple driver quality MKII's that recently sold for =
less than 100k. Frustrating situation. He has no inspiration to build =
the car, only to get rich off of it. If the deal was right, I could =
possibly buy the car but I have no desire to overpay. I think the car is =
maybe "worth" 45 or 50 but he would just laugh. I have offered him 30 =
without confirmation of the grill, top of grill trim and wheel arches, =
and he didn't even respond to my offer.
Thank you so much for understanding and thank you for helping with =
discussion on values. Just trying to make sure I am representing my case =
realistically to the potential seller. My patience for negotiation is =
running out. I've been lightly pursuing the car since early 2013.=20
Thank you all!
Cullen
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Randall Antosiak <randya@pacbell.net> =
wrote:
Hi Cullen -=20
As a starting point to determine the value of your car, you can go to =
the Hagerty web site and look it up. This site can give you a ball park =
number:
https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk_II
Cars in #4 condition are daily drivers, and Hagerty gives the Mk 2 a =
value of $67,500 in this condition. =20
Since you wrote your car is a basketcase and doesn't drive, it will be =
worth less. However, as long as you have all the rare parts (wheel arch =
trim, rocker trim, grill, eyebrow, tach), then I would guess a rock =
bottom value around $55k -60k.
- Randy
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From: Cullen McCann via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
To: Tigers Den <tigers@autox.team.net>=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:30 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Mk2 values
Dear friends. I would like the list opinion on Mark 2 Tiger values =
these days. We have all seen several come and go at auction in restored =
condition. I realize this question is so subjective it's nearly =
impossible to answer.=20
At least give me a Range. Assuming the following conditions are true:
Authentic mk2 tiger.=20
No visible rust or collision damage.=20
Matching engine, trans and rear end
Complete car with egg crate grill and wheel arch trim
Hardtop included.=20
Runs but does not drive.=20
Complete but needs total restoration. Basketcase.=20
Been in same family for 30 years.=20
What's the least a person would expect to pay?
What the most?
Thanks friends!!
Cullen
LROFE
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<DIV>Cullen,</DIV>
<DIV>I think you have to wonder about the true condition if he thinks a =
Mark II=20
is worth $240,000 and he is only asking $80,000. That alone might be an=20
indicator. In the long run maybe those =E2=80=9Cless than =
100k=E2=80=9D Mark II =E2=80=9Cdrivers=E2=80=9D=20
are a better deal.</DIV>
<DIV>Tom</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=3Dtigers@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>Cullen McCann via Tigers</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 16, 2016 8:41 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drandya@pacbell.net=20
href=3D"mailto:randya@pacbell.net";>Randall Antosiak</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Dtigers@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>Tigers Den</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Mk2 values</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV>Thank you all who contributed to my question about MKII values. I =
have used=20
the Hagerty Valuation tool many times, but I couple that knowledge with =
personal=20
experiences. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am aware of a Tiger Mk II "for sale" that I'm trying negotiate =
the=20
possible sale of. Admittedly I was hoping to do so without opening up =
the=20
floodgates of other competition, hence my lack of detail.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>He's asking 80 grand for a non driving car, with many critical MKII =
pieces=20
that have not yet been confirmed. He may have them but I haven't seen =
them. The=20
car does start, but does not drive. It also is packed in a garage with =
stuff all=20
around it, obstructing some of its inspection, but its very clearly a =
MKII. It=20
is recorded in TBON. No visible rust but may have some body filler, =
amount=20
unknown. Communication is poor with the seller and his expectations are=20
unreasonable. He quotes a 240K sale on a MKII and is confident his car =
is worth=20
70-80 grand. I didn't think it is. I know of a couple driver quality =
MKII's that=20
recently sold for less than 100k. Frustrating situation. He has no =
inspiration=20
to build the car, only to get rich off of it. If the deal was right, I =
could=20
possibly buy the car but I have no desire to overpay. I think the car is =
maybe=20
"worth" 45 or 50 but he would just laugh. I have offered him 30 without=20
confirmation of the grill, top of grill trim and wheel arches, and he =
didn't=20
even respond to my offer.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thank you so much for understanding and thank you for helping with=20
discussion on values. Just trying to make sure I am representing my case =
realistically to the potential seller. My patience for negotiation is =
running=20
out. I've been lightly pursuing the car since early 2013. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thank you all!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Cullen</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_extra>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Randall =
Antosiak <SPAN=20
dir=3Dltr><<A href=3D"mailto:randya@pacbell.net"=20
target=3D_blank>randya@pacbell.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc =
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neue,helvetica,arial,lucida grande,sans-serif; COLOR: #000; =
BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff">
<DIV><SPAN>Hi Cullen - </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>As a starting point to determine the value of your car, you =
can go=20
to the Hagerty web site and look it up. This site can give you a =
ball=20
park number:</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><SPAN><A=20
=
href=3D"https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk=
_II"=20
=
target=3D_blank>https://www.hagerty.com/apps/<WBR>valuationtools/1967-Sun=
beam-<WBR>Tiger-Mk_II</A><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>Cars in #4 condition are daily drivers, and Hagerty =
gives the Mk=20
2 a value of $67,500 in this condition. </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>Since you wrote your car is a basketcase and doesn't =
drive, it=20
will be worth less. However, as long as you have all the rare =
parts=20
(wheel arch trim, rocker trim, grill, eyebrow, tach), then I would =
guess a=20
rock bottom value around $55k -60k.</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>- Randy</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr> </DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: helveticaneue,helvetica =
neue,helvetica,arial,lucida grande,sans-serif">
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: helveticaneue,helvetica =
neue,helvetica,arial,lucida grande,sans-serif">
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<HR SIZE=3D1>
<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Cullen McCann =
via Tigers=20
<<A href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"=20
target=3D_blank>tigers@autox.team.net</A>><BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Tigers Den <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"=20
target=3D_blank>tigers@autox.team.net</A>> <BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, September 7, =
2016 6:30=20
PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> =
[Tigers] Mk2=20
values<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3Dh5>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>Dear friends. I would like the list opinion on Mark 2 =
Tiger=20
values these days. We have all seen several come and go at auction in =
restored=20
condition. I realize this question is so subjective it's nearly =
impossible to=20
answer. </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>At least give me a Range. Assuming the following =
conditions are=20
true:</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>Authentic mk2 tiger. <BR>No visible rust or collision =
damage.=20
<BR>Matching engine, trans and rear end<BR>Complete car with egg crate =
grill=20
and wheel arch trim<BR>Hardtop included. <BR>Runs but does not drive.=20
<BR>Complete but needs total restoration. Basketcase. <BR>Been in same =
family=20
for 30 years. </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>What's the least a person would expect to pay?<BR>What =
the=20
most?<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>Thanks friends!!</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>Cullen<BR>LROFE</DIV></DIV>
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